17-year-old arrested in killing of 2 people in Kenosha

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No...sneaky little bastard would not qualify for a FOID card in his home state of Illinois. Must be at least 18 with written parental permission or 21 without. No way could he purchase a long gun from an FFL because he is under the age of 18. He purchased it illegally via black market (stolen gun) or a straw purchase, the same way those two psychos who shot up Columbine had an older female friend buy their weapons for them. Where the hell were the parents? This kid was completely out of control! Why didn't the old man Rittenhouse take his young screwball son for a trip to the woodshed to beat some sense into him? This is the type of shit that Mas Ayoob warned about. Sure, Cooper, Taylor, Hackathorn and others taught their students the most efficient way to gun down assailants. Mas does the same, plus teaches his students how to survive the legal aftermath, both civil and criminal. One "genius" on this forum described Ayoob as a "fag"! Sad thing indeed to vanquish your opponent in an armed encounter, only to end up imprisoned for decades and penniless.
Wow, just...wow.

Kid didn't steal, or straw purchase, or any other crap you are inventing. Friend in Wisconsin let him borrow it so he could protect himself while rendering aid to these same protesters that tried to disarm and kill him. Kid did not break any laws. May have made a bad choice about being a good kid and trying to help the people in HIS community. He worked there! His protection options are limited due to his age. Can't conceal, can't have a handgun. Can have a semi-auto rifle at 16. Only protection option available to him.

As for Mas, i wont disparage the guy. He has much more experience than me and a lot of what he says is good advice. But things dont always turn out perfect. Maybe, somewhere in this kids 17 years of life, he missed the opportunity to take an Ayoob class. That is not a reason to hang him.

Let me know when you post your guns for sale as it appears you are strongly against the idea of someone using a firearm to defend their life. I am assuming you refuse to carry as well because that would put you at risk for being imprisoned or spending money on lawyers. Death is clearly the better option according to you.
 

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No...sneaky little bastard would not qualify for a FOID card in his home state of Illinois. Must be at least 18 with written parental permission or 21 without. No way could he purchase a long gun from an FFL because he is under the age of 18. He purchased it illegally via black market (stolen gun) or a straw purchase, the same way those two psychos who shot up Columbine had an older female friend buy their weapons for them. Where the hell were the parents? This kid was completely out of control! Why didn't the old man Rittenhouse take his young screwball son for a trip to the woodshed to beat some sense into him? This is the type of shit that Mas Ayoob warned about. Sure, Cooper, Taylor, Hackathorn and others taught their students the most efficient way to gun down assailants. Mas does the same, plus teaches his students how to survive the legal aftermath, both civil and criminal. One "genius" on this forum described Ayoob as a "fag"! Sad thing indeed to vanquish your opponent in an armed encounter, only to end up imprisoned for decades and penniless.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt,"

You are just doubling down on stupid bud.

The kid is not the one "out of control" as you put it. The BLM/Antifa thugs that were burning people out of their businesses and homes, assaulting and looting, those are the ones out of control. He did not fire his weapon until he was fired upon first or was in imminent danger.

Taking age out of it, if Rittenhouse was say, a 22 year old soldier home on leave or an off duty police officer and the same thing happened to him, would you feel the same way? If someone was going to beat your brains out with a skateboard, there was shooting and someone was running at you with a gun, would your defending yourself be justified?
 

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The bottom line is Rittenhouse followed all protocols for self defense and in my mind it was a good shoot and the kid acted extremely well under extreme duress, 2 shots and 2 targets incapacitated without any rounds hitting someone else or property. You can’t do much better than he did unless you dropped the bicep guy on the pavement which is tragic he didn’t. I understand .308’s point about the kid not needing to be there and it probably not being worth it since he is sitting in a cell block right now instead of smashing girls his age in the backseat of his car. The fact is that the kid went out of his way to be there, some will say it’s honerable while others will say he should have stayed home. Personally I admire the kid for trying to make a difference
 

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No...sneaky little bastard would not qualify for a FOID card in his home state of Illinois. Must be at least 18 with written parental permission or 21 without. No way could he purchase a long gun from an FFL because he is under the age of 18. He purchased it illegally via black market (stolen gun) or a straw purchase, the same way those two psychos who shot up Columbine had an older female friend buy their weapons for them. Where the hell were the parents? This kid was completely out of control! Why didn't the old man Rittenhouse take his young screwball son for a trip to the woodshed to beat some sense into him? This is the type of shit that Mas Ayoob warned about. Sure, Cooper, Taylor, Hackathorn and others taught their students the most efficient way to gun down assailants. Mas does the same, plus teaches his students how to survive the legal aftermath, both civil and criminal. One "genius" on this forum described Ayoob as a "fag"! Sad thing indeed to vanquish your opponent in an armed encounter, only to end up imprisoned for decades and penniless.
Sneaky little bastard? Maybe overzealous boy scout, but your comment is out of line. Maybe he was misguided- a little, and just maybe. Seems to have been a generally good kid with a decent background who wanted to help protect property and possibly people from the Soros sponsored zombie horde. Weren't the "victims" true dirtbags in their normal everyday life?

You have made a big deal out of the crossing state line issue. In reality, the gun didn't cross and that charge has been dropped. Also consider that communities exist on top of state borders. That seems to be the case for KR- he didn't trek in from far away like the riot agitators did.

I would hope my kids would know better than to place themselves in a jackpot like this- I made it clear that they would be in deep shit if they went anywhere near the Boston and Worcester protests. That said, your outrage here is grossly misplaced.
 

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No...sneaky little bastard would not qualify for a FOID card in his home state of Illinois. Must be at least 18 with written parental permission or 21 without. No way could he purchase a long gun from an FFL because he is under the age of 18. He purchased it illegally via black market (stolen gun) or a straw purchase, the same way those two psychos who shot up Columbine had an older female friend buy their weapons for them. Where the hell were the parents? This kid was completely out of control! Why didn't the old man Rittenhouse take his young screwball son for a trip to the woodshed to beat some sense into him? This is the type of shit that Mas Ayoob warned about. Sure, Cooper, Taylor, Hackathorn and others taught their students the most efficient way to gun down assailants. Mas does the same, plus teaches his students how to survive the legal aftermath, both civil and criminal. One "genius" on this forum described Ayoob as a "fag"! Sad thing indeed to vanquish your opponent in an armed encounter, only to end up imprisoned for decades and penniless.
Let's get past the fact that what you wrote here is utterly bullshit.
Where were you in 2013?
I don't remember you being involved in the grass roots advocacy.
Maybe you did get involved but since I attended almost every hearing and listening tour event, I should have some memory.

Do you think those bills went away because we quietly hid away at home?
It was because a number of gun owners spent countless hours working against them. Had we listened to your advice we wouldn't have most of the toys we enjoy here in Mass today.
 
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"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt,"

You are just doubling down on stupid bud.

The kid is not the one "out of control" as you put it. The BLM/Antifa thugs that were burning people out of their businesses and homes, assaulting and looting, those are the ones out of control. He did not fire his weapon until he was fired upon first or was in imminent danger.

Taking age out of it, if Rittenhouse was say, a 22 year old soldier home on leave or an off duty police officer and the same thing happened to him, would you feel the same way? If someone was going to beat your brains out with a skateboard, there was shooting and someone was running at you with a gun, would your defending yourself be justified?
But what the hell was he doing there? If a riot broke out in Roxbury and you drove there, not only out of town but also out of state, bringing your gun to a problem that you had no business getting involved in, what do you think would happen to you? Ticker-tape parade? Handshake from Boston's mayor? No...at minimum you would -be charged with carrying a loaded rifle/shotgun on a public way, brandishing a firearm and interfering with police officers. If you shot someone, you would be crucified by the Suffolk County DA's office. Hopefully, LenS will chime in on this thread. Way too many Rambos spouting rubbish that gets people arrested, prosecuted, convicted and imprisoned. Any heros on this thread who admire Rittenhouse and want to follow his example, be my guest! Hopefully, they are single and have no family to leave behind while they serve very long prison sentences for their heroics!
 

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But what the hell was he doing there? If a riot broke out in Roxbury and you drove there, not only out of town but also out of state, bringing your gun to a problem that you had no business getting involved in, what do you think would happen to you? Ticket-tape parade? Handshake from Boston's mayor? No...at minimum you would be charged with carrying a loaded rifle/shotgun on a public way, brandishing a firearm and interfering with police officers. If you shot someone, you would be crucified by the Suffolk County DA's office. Hopefully, LenS will chime in on this thread. Way too many Rambos spouting rubbish that gets people arrested, prosecuted, convicted and imprisoned. Any heros on this thread who admire Rittenhouse and want to follow his example, be my guest! Hopefully, they are single and have no family to leave behind while they serve very long prison sentences for their heroics!
Nobody gives a shit what would happen to someone doing this in Boston, because it didn't happen in Boston and probably wouldn't happen in Boston if everyone is cucked into thinking like you. MA is not representative of the way the rest of the country lives.
 

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But what the hell was he doing there? If a riot broke out in Roxbury and you drove there, not only out of town but also out of state, bringing your gun to a problem that you had no business getting involved in, what do you think would happen to you? Ticker-tape parade? Handshake from Boston's mayor? No...at minimum you would -be charged with carrying a loaded rifle/shotgun on a public way, brandishing a firearm and interfering with police officers. If you shot someone, you would be crucified by the Suffolk County DA's office. Hopefully, LenS will chime in on this thread. Way too many Rambos spouting rubbish that gets people arrested, prosecuted, convicted and imprisoned. Any heros on this thread who admire Rittenhouse and want to follow his example, be my guest! Hopefully, they are single and have no family to leave behind while they serve very long prison sentences for their heroics!
Thanks for not answering the question so I'll try again.

Taking age out of the equation, was he or was he not justified in the shooting for which he is charged?
 

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No...sneaky little bastard would not qualify for a FOID card in his home state of Illinois. Must be at least 18 with written parental permission or 21 without. No way could he purchase a long gun from an FFL because he is under the age of 18. He purchased it illegally via black market (stolen gun) or a straw purchase, the same way those two psychos who shot up Columbine had an older female friend buy their weapons for them. Where the hell were the parents? This kid was completely out of control! Why didn't the old man Rittenhouse take his young screwball son for a trip to the woodshed to beat some sense into him? This is the type of shit that Mas Ayoob warned about. Sure, Cooper, Taylor, Hackathorn and others taught their students the most efficient way to gun down assailants. Mas does the same, plus teaches his students how to survive the legal aftermath, both civil and criminal. One "genius" on this forum described Ayoob as a "fag"! Sad thing indeed to vanquish your opponent in an armed encounter, only to end up imprisoned for decades and penniless.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YfjMZ6n8Bk
 
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But what the hell was he doing there? If a riot broke out in Roxbury and you drove there, not only out of town but also out of state, bringing your gun to a problem that you had no business getting involved in,
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
 

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
He'd probably argue the Acton minutemen had no right to go help Concord because its across town lines
 
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No...sneaky little bastard would not qualify for a FOID card in his home state of Illinois. Must be at least 18 with written parental permission or 21 without. No way could he purchase a long gun from an FFL because he is under the age of 18. He purchased it illegally via black market (stolen gun) or a straw purchase, the same way those two psychos who shot up Columbine had an older female friend buy their weapons for them. Where the hell were the parents? This kid was completely out of control! Why didn't the old man Rittenhouse take his young screwball son for a trip to the woodshed to beat some sense into him? This is the type of shit that Mas Ayoob warned about. Sure, Cooper, Taylor, Hackathorn and others taught their students the most efficient way to gun down assailants. Mas does the same, plus teaches his students how to survive the legal aftermath, both civil and criminal. One "genius" on this forum described Ayoob as a "fag"! Sad thing indeed to vanquish your opponent in an armed encounter, only to end up imprisoned for decades and penniless.
wat? You are now factually wrong. The rifle belongs to a friend of KR and he borrowed it. The rifle never crossed state lines. It was in Wisconsin the whole time.

edit: View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CtOEig1l8SA
 
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wat? You are now factually wrong. The rifle belongs to a friend of KR and he borrowed it. The rifle never crossed state lines. It was in Wisconsin the whole time.
He doesn't care, he is tuning the tracking in on his Ayoob VHS tape trying to find something relevant in 2020 to regurgitate here.
 

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1. Kid was lawfully there.
2. He was lawfully armed.
3. He lawfully defended himself from scum of the earth.

No amount of Mas AyeNoob bloviating or boomer naval gazing from 308 changes any of those facts.
This.

Blaming Rittenhouse is the equivalent of blaming a rape victim for wearing a short skirt and being at a bar.

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No...sneaky little bastard would not qualify for a FOID card in his home state of Illinois. Must be at least 18 with written parental permission or 21 without. No way could he purchase a long gun from an FFL because he is under the age of 18. He purchased it illegally via black market (stolen gun) or a straw purchase, the same way those two psychos who shot up Columbine had an older female friend buy their weapons for them. Where the hell were the parents? This kid was completely out of control! Why didn't the old man Rittenhouse take his young screwball son for a trip to the woodshed to beat some sense into him? This is the type of shit that Mas Ayoob warned about. Sure, Cooper, Taylor, Hackathorn and others taught their students the most efficient way to gun down assailants. Mas does the same, plus teaches his students how to survive the legal aftermath, both civil and criminal. One "genius" on this forum described Ayoob as a "fag"! Sad thing indeed to vanquish your opponent in an armed encounter, only to end up imprisoned for decades and penniless.
Are you just that jealous that this young man can actually legally possess a Standard Capacity rifle, and due to choices you made, you are not permitted to do the same here in Massachusetts?

He could be loaned a rifle. This is supposedly what happened.
 
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The bottom line is Rittenhouse followed all protocols for self defense and in my mind it was a good shoot and the kid acted extremely well under extreme duress, 2 shots and 2 targets incapacitated without any rounds hitting someone else or property. You can’t do much better than he did unless you dropped the bicep guy on the pavement which is tragic he didn’t. I understand .308’s point about the kid not needing to be there and it probably not being worth it since he is sitting in a cell block right now instead of smashing girls his age in the backseat of his car. The fact is that the kid went out of his way to be there, some will say it’s honerable while others will say he should have stayed home. Personally I admire the kid for trying to make a difference
Well said. I’m in the “he should of went home after scrubbing the graffiti camp”. This kid had the world by the balls and now he’s screwed. To me a pedophile, felon and a skateboard bro are not worth the 50 cents a round.
 

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Well said. I’m in the “he should of went home after scrubbing the graffiti camp”. This kid had the world by the balls and now he’s screwed. To me a pedophile, felon and a skateboard bro are not worth the 50 cents a round.
May be. But "should of", doesn't make what he did do illegal.
 
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May be. But "should of", doesn't make what he did do illegal.
No, he definitely didn’t do anything illegal. But it seems like he was a really good kid with his shit together. It sucks that he probably flushed his life down the toilet because of these shit bags. If Trump gets RE-elected he better takes the gloves off and take these idiots to the wood shed.
 

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Well said. I’m in the “he should of went home after scrubbing the graffiti camp”. This kid had the world by the balls and now he’s screwed. To me a pedophile, felon and a skateboard bro are not worth the 50 cents a round.
It’s all about his age, the difference between a 17 year old kid and an adult is the adult will think things out to the worst possible scenario of “What ifs” Sure the better play was to go home instead but the facts are the facts now and should Trump get re-elected he should step in and give this kid a pardon if he gets convicted. It’s not like it would make things worse at this point. Taking the political agenda out of the hands of these shitbag liberal politicians there is no reasonable way this kid should get anything but acquitted due to self defense. Those animals would have killed him had he not fired his weapon.
 
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