kingfisher
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What channel was this on? I need to see this report.
I'm quite sure it was on FOX25, WFXT. I hope you find what you need.
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What channel was this on? I need to see this report.
Actually, NH goes around MA to NC Rep. Hudson, how do we help you pass the Concealed carry act? https://hudson.house.gov/uploads/Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017 1-pager.pdf
If MA can't fix their state, we will go over their head.
This was sweet. Seriously. I enjoyed every minute of advocacy, work, emails, etc. It was all worth it. On to the next challenge!
Every member who lives in MA, but who comes to visit NH should be all over supporting this bill.
1. It will save you the renewal fees
2. It will make one more state near MA that has adopted Constitutional Carry, meaning VT, ME and NH would have all passed CC and almost 1/2 of the states in New England would be free. Time to work on RI, MA, CT and NY.
Zero..... and mentioning an "over/under" and names of two radical gun control activists in the same sentence is a sin.What's the over/under on Shea-Porter cosigning? I joke, I joke.
Could you please explain why the NH Pistol / Revolver License does not meet the standard for exemption from the federal gun free school zone law?
It's not "clear" at all; that argument is based on a torturous parsing of the GFZA that has never been advanced by an actual law enforcement entity.
The list is long, but so far the NHSP, NHAG, a former US AG's office, etc. have all expressed the opposite opinion.
Whether or not the NH AG enforces the law, are you saying he doesn't know the law? Whose interpretation seem more credible, the NH AG (previous administration US AG office) or the Penny Dean/Sam Cohen crowd?
By the way, maybe you could provide just one actual law enforcement source that supports that interpretation before you use the term "clearly."
Vince Lombardi said it best: when the Packers forgot the basics, he held a football up in the locker room at halftime and said, "Gentlemen, this is a football!"
Lombardi didn't care about stare decisis or talking head sports commentators, he cared about football.
So let's go back to basics here: this is the football: 18 USC 922 (q) (2) (B) says that the federal GFSZA "does not apply to the possession of a firearm—
...(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;
NH RSA 159 allows people other than law enforcement to issue a license, and nothing in 159 requires anyone to verify anything; the issuing authority had (until passage of SB-12) sole discretion to determine whether or not someone was "suitable", which had no bearing on whether or not they were a prohibited person.
I use the Lombardi standard in both law and biblical exegesis: always go back to the root, instead of relying on commentaries.
Flag on the play: appeal to authority.I guess the NH AG, SP. the FBI, and the US AG's office have never heard of Vince. Again, can you provide any law enforcement agent/agency that agrees with you? Because we now multiple state and federal law enforcement agents/agencies that disagree with you.
Or we can consider who isn't on the record as agreeing with you: any court of authority.We'll have to agree to disagree on this, but consider who's already on the record as agreeing with me.
Or we can consider who isn't on the record as agreeing with you: any court of authority.
It seems pretty clear that the idea of a GFSZ within 1000' of a school is absurd and most folks wouldn't know that they crossed into the "danger zone". LE doesn't get to make the laws, they are oftentimes stuck with enforcing them.
"Black Letter of the Law", KBCraig is correct (and I agree with him BTW), however it is clear that the Feds have better fish to fry and this isn't one of them that they want to waste resources on. Therefore the likelihood of a NH Resident getting jammed up over this is infinitesimally small. Lots of dumb laws are on the books and LE ignores them intentionally.
Lol... There's no case law on this problem though and there probably never will be, because it'd be trivial to show a jury how retarded that argument is. I don't even think theres a single town in NH that issues a P&R without the police being involved. Any US attorney would have to be mentally retarded to think they could win on that nuance.
I put a PR lic failing in this regard as being less likely than a non dealer/manyf getting proseuted for violating USC 922r. Which is- "go buy some powerball tix, your odds are way better. "
Anyone who can legally own a gun in any state can now carry concealed on person or in an auto in NH. Feb 24, 2027
P.S. Mass sucks! I grew up there and moved to NH right after getting out of the army because I wanted the freedom of being a vet.
NH legislature to MA legislature: Will you please reciprocate with us?
Ma to NH: **** off.
NH to MA: OK, never mind. Call you later.
Vince Lombardi said it best: when the Packers forgot the basics, he held a football up in the locker room at halftime and said, "Gentlemen, this is a football!"
Lombardi didn't care about stare decisis or talking head sports commentators, he cared about football.
So let's go back to basics here: this is the football: 18 USC 922 (q) (2) (B) says that the federal GFSZA "does not apply to the possession of a firearm—
...(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;
NH RSA 159 allows people other than law enforcement to issue a license, and nothing in 159 requires anyone to verify anything; the issuing authority had (until passage of SB-12) sole discretion to determine whether or not someone was "suitable", which had no bearing on whether or not they were a prohibited person.
I use the Lombardi standard in both law and biblical exegesis: always go back to the root, instead of relying on commentaries.
I guess the NH AG, SP. the FBI, and the US AG's office have never heard of Vince. Again, can you provide any law enforcement agent/agency that agrees with you? Because we now multiple state and federal law enforcement agents/agencies that disagree with you. These are Democrat-appointed LE personnel who would like nothing better than to restrict gun rights, and were rabidly trying to prevent guns being worn to school polling places. But they were unable to do so, and they went on the record to say the license meets the requirements spelled out in the GFZA. Why do you think that is? Are the LE agencies involved stupid? Have they never seen this law? Were they spending too much time studying U.S. v. Lopez and not enough time reading NES? This is like the AG's (US, not just NH)...job. They've clearly read the same law you have, and yet they believe the NH P&RL meets those requirements.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this, but consider who's already on the record as agreeing with me.
It seems pretty clear that the idea of a GFSZ within 1000' of a school is absurd and most folks wouldn't know that they crossed into the "danger zone". LE doesn't get to make the laws, they are oftentimes stuck with enforcing them.
"Black Letter of the Law", KBCraig is correct (and I agree with him BTW), however it is clear that the Feds have better fish to fry and this isn't one of them that they want to waste resources on. Therefore the likelihood of a NH Resident getting jammed up over this is infinitesimally small. Lots of dumb laws are on the books and LE ignores them intentionally.
KBCraig and ScottS, you two are both correct. The black letter of the fed law does provide a way to go after any license holder in NH. However the feds have chosen not to actually go after anyone. We don't actually know the real reasons but I would suspect that behind closed doors they are afraid of a legal challenge going to SCOTUS (remember the GFSZ act has not been challenged since it was re-written) and thus will only use it as a "throw as much shit on the wall and see what sticks" if they happen to catch a "gangbanger" in NH carrying in a school zone while doing other things (like selling drugs, etc).
To all you Mass folks thinking about coming to NH to take advantage of our recently passed Con Carry bill while you're here..........could you please handle your firearms more responsibly and be more considerate to the natives than you are behind the wheel of your cars every weekend?
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I don't know if you guys remember but way back in 2007 (IIRC), a black guy in NH stood across the street from the school where then candidate Obama (with SS protection) was speaking with an AR15 strapped to his back. He did have an NH PRL and was flanked by police. The feds did nothing because he was committing no crime other than technically violating the GFSZ act.
There was also a guy in, I think, Portsmouth, during the first ZerObama election (details here are fuzzy due to time and Can't Remember Shit disease) who was open carrying a handgun at a school where Obama was speaking, but got tagged when he went back to get in the truck because he had no P&RL...and the Feds said he would have been fine if he had a P&RL...or something close to that. I remember it was a significant statement at the time. Perhaps the collective memory can provide the details better.
I met that dude, big time Free Stater. I think his name was Bill, or Will.
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This dude.
KBCraig and ScottS, you two are both correct. The black letter of the fed law does provide a way to go after any license holder in NH. However the feds have chosen not to actually go after anyone.
Here's that Fox 25 report Kingfisher referenced.
http://www.fox25boston.com/news/police-in-mass-nh-voice-concern-over-new-nh-gun-law/497238155
You got to love how they ignore that the laws have always been different MA/NH and a permit in one hasn't been good in the other. But now we need signs
Here's that Fox 25 report Kingfisher referenced.
http://www.fox25boston.com/news/police-in-mass-nh-voice-concern-over-new-nh-gun-law/497238155
Nope
Just commenting on the "quality" driving we see every ****ing weekend from cars with plates with a white background and red letters/numbers
I fully intend to keep my job in Mass when I escape north. Although I will work from home as often as possible.Oh yeah, right. Like the sea of green and white plates on Routes 3,495,93 in rush hour
for all you free people coming to MA to make that great paycheck isn't worse?
I fully intend to keep my job in Mass when I escape north. Although I will work from home as often as possible.