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My 11-87 is the pills. Shoots awesome and bought it for 399 at dicks.
Ok, so I've decided to get into Skeet. I've shot it in the past with various guns, but I think I'd like to pick up either a Remington 1100 or 11-87. I have used 1100's in the past and liked them, but the 11-87 so far has been easier to find (either way I'll be going with a good used gun) BUT I've heard mixed reviews of the 11-87 cycling light loads. Does anyone here use the 11-87, or have any reason why one is preferred over the other for skeet?
1100 is a better skeet gun than the 11-87.
However, for not too much more than that price you can get yourself a Beretta A3901 or, for a little bit more, the new Beretta A300, either of which will be a superior firearm in every way.
1100 is a better skeet gun than the 11-87.
However, for not too much more than that price you can get yourself a Beretta A3901 or, for a little bit more, the new Beretta A300, either of which will be a superior firearm in every way.
ARV:
Many people are strong proponents of the gun that they have, and love.
You're not the first person I've heard say that, but you're also not the first person to leave out why.
Not a personal dig, but it's about the 5th time I've heard someone clearly favor the 1100 and not back it up with any reasoning. Well, actually, the guy at my gun club have me the response "because the 1100 is something you pass down to your kids". Er...still didn't do me much better.
Again, whatever the case I find my 11-87 just fine for a novice skeet shooter.
Ya know, I looked on Remington's website, and IIRC, I couldn't tell the difference between the current 1100's and 11-87's finish-wise. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the basic one's come with the same matt-blue finish as the 11-87's. I was looking for a used one, because a nice high gloss blue would be nice, and I've shot the 1100 in the past and liked it, but the 11-87 feels the same to me. Put them both in my hands blind folded, I doubt I could tell the difference when shooting.
I don't have an 1100. I shoot a Beretta 687 normally and an Xtrema 2 in foul weather.
However, I say the 1100 is a better skeet gun for several reasons.
1) The 11-87 is specifically designed to be able to take heavier loads, including 3" (and 3 1/2" in the appropriate version) waterfowl and other heavy loads. The modifications to the gas system make it slightly more complex and add some weight.
2) The 1100 gas system is optimized for light and standard 2 3/4" loads which includes all clay target loads. That's why the subgauge guns are only available in the 1100.
3) With typical and especially the lighter skeet loads (such as 24 gram International skeet loads) the 11-87 tends to be less reliable than the 1100. Additionally, from what I have seen the 11-87s tend to foul more quickly under heavy use.
I have seen lots of extremely good competitive skeet shooters using 1100s - the fact is that they'll do well with any gun that fits them. Given the choice between the two, I'd go with the 1100, though. There's a reason that Remington never ended up killing off the 1100 line - it's because the serious clayshooting crowd never really adopted the 11-87. In the end, is there a huge difference? No, it's 99% about the gun fit and the shooter. I'd still take a Beretta A300, A3901, or A391 over any of them, however.
I don't have an 1100. I shoot a Beretta 687 normally and an Xtrema 2 in foul weather.
However, I say the 1100 is a better skeet gun for several reasons.
1) The 11-87 is specifically designed to be able to take heavier loads, including 3" (and 3 1/2" in the appropriate version) waterfowl and other heavy loads. The modifications to the gas system make it slightly more complex and add some weight.
2) The 1100 gas system is optimized for light and standard 2 3/4" loads which includes all clay target loads. That's why the subgauge guns are only available in the 1100.
3) With typical and especially the lighter skeet loads (such as 24 gram International skeet loads) the 11-87 tends to be less reliable than the 1100. Additionally, from what I have seen the 11-87s tend to foul more quickly under heavy use.
I have seen lots of extremely good competitive skeet shooters using 1100s - the fact is that they'll do well with any gun that fits them. Given the choice between the two, I'd go with the 1100, though. There's a reason that Remington never ended up killing off the 1100 line - it's because the serious clayshooting crowd never really adopted the 11-87. In the end, is there a huge difference? No, it's 99% about the gun fit and the shooter. I'd still take a Beretta A300, A3901, or A391 over any of them, however.
Nope, close though, kinda....