I find it alittle funny that he claims that cops will be so apalled at the notion of doing something unconstitutional when there is video evidence and stories of they destroying peoples civil rights everyday. I am not one of those people who think that all cops are bad because I don't like when people generalize any group, but they certainly have thier fair share. I do however agree that some cops will dissagree and disobey losing thier jobs and some will disobey because they aren't ready to surrender thier lives for it. I do have alot of friends in the military who I know would not obey that order, but they have had discussions with people they serve or served with who have said "and order is an order" so I believe there will be some who just "obey orders". Not drawing a direct link here but there where Nazi soldiers who where just "following orders" so it does happen. If we have learned anything from our now almost 13 years war in the middle east it is that a small group can inflict major damage physically and mentally to a large military so numbers don't count as much as they used to. And again I will end with saying I hope they smarten up way before this is even a thought.
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I find it alittle funny that he claims that cops will be so apalled at the notion of doing something unconstitutional when there is video evidence and stories of they destroying peoples civil rights everyday. I am not one of those people who think that all cops are bad because I don't like when people generalize any group, but they certainly have thier fair share. I do however agree that some cops will dissagree and disobey losing thier jobs and some will disobey because they aren't ready to surrender thier lives for it. I do have alot of friends in the military who I know would not obey that order, but they have had discussions with people they serve or served with who have said "and order is an order" so I believe there will be some who just "obey orders". Not drawing a direct link here but there where Nazi soldiers who where just "following orders" so it does happen. If we have learned anything from our now almost 13 years war in the middle east it is that a small group can inflict major damage physically and mentally to a large military so numbers don't count as much as they used to. And again I will end with saying I hope they smarten up way before this is even a thought.
Then Sir, I stand by my statement that you still do not understand our spirit. I do welcome the discussion though.
As a side, I commend you on your command of my language. It is much better than my command of yours. But why would I need to learn French?
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M60
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Wow !!!!!! Where did you get the afforementioned information and or opinion? I've been in the gun shops since this whole panic mess started. I've been buying ammo. I already had the hardware. Nine thousand rounds so far and still buying. Just bought a pile of tracer today. I've worn a tie throughout my work career too. Guess that means that you catogorize me as one of what you've described as well. I'll bet that I was locked and loaded for both of my back to back tours in Southeast Asia when you were still in diapers, which must qualify me as one of those "unfit dudes" you referred to as well. Let me give you some friendly advise, If I were you I wouldn't be so opinionated, but since you seem to be, I'll offer this advice instead. If you ever find your way into an American Legion hall or VFW, while you are out cruising the gun shops, for the sake of your health record please keep the mouth that you've shown here closed, because if you try what you've said here you'll probably have to go home and explain to your mom why and old IT type just kicked your butt.
Thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation.
One thing many are missing here is, they are not going to come for the guns until something far bigger than a school shooting takes place. In fact, they may not come for guns at all, but when there is no gas, no money and no food, well, think about it. If there is a complete economic implosion and you wake up to find military checkpoints setup at major intersections, banks closed and ATM's shut off and everyone is told to stay indoors due to martial law. Just think, not being able to check your email and not able to log into NES, never mind bars on the cell phone. How do you organize then? Smoke signals?! Sure, cable TV will be on, but it will be David Gregory giving you the news that Valerie Jarrett wrote.
First, thanks for the compliment. It is my opinion that when one choses to ive in a different country, it is his duty to adjust to the local customs, which of course means to learn the language, to be able to comunicate with people.
As for the american spirit, I do not doubt that there are some people left who have it. Now, the last election showed clearly that 52% of "we, the people" are already out of the equation. Both our nations have a solid background of revolution and war in general, I don't think anyone could argue this. But nowadays, most people unfortunately are more of the armchair quarterback type, and some are plain delusional. An I mean people on both sides of the pond. I just stopped counting on others a long time ago. I don't expect anything from anyone, because that is usually what you get when you count on people. Nothing.
Nobody has suggested a ban on being able to say stupid things on the internet. In fact many on this forum have fought so he could have the right to say what he wants even if they disagree with him. What's the quote "I disagree with what you are saying but I will defend to the death your right to say it"? I think you'd find that is the opinion of most people.
What if the POTUS is in bed with foreign powers now that his last election is over? Will Putin send troops to support this thinly veiled long planned anti-2A disarmament scheme?
I think someone needs to write a credible and realistic open letter to all the country's law enforcement and military and simply ask them if they are prepared to take up arms against their brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers, friends and neighbors, to carry out the illegal destruction of the constitution that they have taken an oath to protect and defend. This president and congress have overstepped their oath of office in an orchestrated campaign to take our right to bear arms as part of a plan to destroy the constitution. To illegally confiscate our property, and to threaten detention and bodily harm to those that refuse to comply. You, as law enforcement and the distinguished military are part of the same country as we are. Do you feel comfortable choosing to carry out the orders of a government that has stopped working for the people? Together we can remove the illegal government and restore order and peace to this country. We have a common and honorable goal.
I think someone needs to write a credible and realistic open letter to all the country's law enforcement and military and simply ask them if they are prepared to take up arms against their brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers, friends and neighbors, to carry out the illegal destruction of the constitution that they have taken an oath to protect and defend. This president and congress have overstepped their oath of office in an orchestrated campaign to take our right to bear arms as part of a plan to destroy the constitution. To illegally confiscate our property, and to threaten detention and bodily harm to those that refuse to comply. You, as law enforcement and the distinguished military are part of the same country as we are. Do you feel comfortable choosing to carry out the orders of a government that has stopped working for the people? Together we can remove the illegal government and restore order and peace to this country. We have a common and honorable goal.
This thread is kind of like being in high school, in the locker room after losing a football game. Everyone at each others throats for whatever reason, all forgetting the fact that were all on the same team. Unification is what this community needs more then squawking over end-game hypotheticals.
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Don't forget the ghillie suits snipers are much scarier than a guy locked up in his house.
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Physical conditioning is the number one preparation for all you guys planning on going rambo. None of us would live long enoughto fire 10k rounds. Ammo and gun acess ain't the problem. Cops and soldiers will do what tney are told, history is crystal clear on this. War fighting the .gov will not work, however on the bizarro chance people git up for a reset murdering every politician they can no matter how petty(right downtothe elected dogcatcher)might work and has a better chance of success then a bunch of fat gun guys playing soldier/target. If it was to go all revolutionary and shit freedom needs serial killers not high speed operators. Or just bring beer andmeet up at the rendezvous are we dressing up as union soldiers or playing something else
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Sorry man, but if this stuff were to go down awol rates would be in the single digits. And probably only when family gets jammed up in the meat grinder all socialist states become. History and pyschology are perfectly clear on this the army and police will do what they are told. The ones saying they won't aren't being dishonest, but have yet to face the choice, they will not do what they think, it is a flase prediction of future behavior.
This thread just proved that we will lose. And is making me seriously reconsider my affiliation with this forum.
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+1, recognising however that some people will never be team players and should be cut from the team.
” Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence….from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable….the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.” George Washington.
Die free, or die a slave..You make the choice.
I don't believe those NRA videos on Youtube. Not one video that i saw showed police actually taking guns from anyone. They showed police knocking down doors, but thats it. They were knockin down doors to see if anyone was hurt or dead, and to look for looters, not once did they show any LEO collecting guns in front of the camera. The people being interviewed claiming their guns were taken would say anything for $$$$ after their house washed away.
If someone has a video to convince me, i'm waiting, and i'll watch with an open mind.
If that really happened then we are doomed, cause no one will stand and fight.
I think a little American vs American violence that leads to bloodshed over the citizenry protecting the second amendment would not go over well in our markets or on a world stage. Civil unrest usually does not make for good numbers on the worlds stocks especially when it's in the "free world". For those who think most of us will piss our pants and give up all our goods when some government thug comes kicking down our door maybe you are right but I think is a few that will have a set of balls that will either die or become successful at taking a few down. Considering the foreign journalist inform us more on whats going on here than our own media I hardly think it would be able to keep something like that dark for long they are always long for dirt going on in the US. But hey King O does what he wants so lets see where this jackass goes from here but I think there will be a domino affect in any sort of confiscation they try.
I did see one where a National Guard unit was going around making actual confiscations. If I can find it I'll post it up here.
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Palladin
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Did you miss Katrina, where the LA governor told the cops to collect everyone's guns??!
I'm already considered a "Domestic Terrorist" by the DHS. What the **** difference does it make if I am actually part of an active group?
Better to die on my feet a free man than to live on my knees as a slave.
Enjoy licking the hand that feeds you.
Or the video of cops stopping people in canoes and taking them or the one were they wrestled the elderly lady to the ground to take her revolver. .?
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Again, I commend you. You've done very well. That tells me you are an intelligent man and understand reason and logic.
They do not represent Americans. But they are very good at licking the hand of government. Most are transplants from South of the border, seeking nothing more than a free meal. The others are generational slaves. Neither group have any pride. They simply will do whatever they are told to get a free meal.
I will not argue the revolutionary spirit found in the French of years gone by. Some of the revolutions were most impressive. You may be right abut the armchair types, but it is my take that there are those that would rather stand than kneel and to discount them would be a tragedy on your part. Not that it matters as I assume they don't care what you or I think about them.
I cannot blame you for being of the mind to be self reliant and not counting on others. Nor can I fault you on your cynicism..... OH MY! You might be becoming an American!
http://youtu.be/B1Qx0cTze0M
They took down a little old lady with her unloaded revolver. The scum bags will come if told.
There was a video with law enforcement punching some old lady to take her unloaded revolver.
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