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What Putin’s War in Ukraine Reveals About Russia—and the Likely Path Ahead

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A Russian expert argues that too many incorrectly see the attack as the act of a normal state seeking normal guarantees of security​

From Today's WSJ.

Great article, the truth hurts. The Russian people need to be educated on the costs of their Leaders fantasies, any weakness or appeasement will just encourage Putin or his replacements to keep up their fantasies that Russia is destined to be a Great Power. The West blew it at the end of the Cold War, we had the opportunity to reform Russian Society and we punted.

"On Feb. 24, Russia invaded Ukraine on multiple fronts, launching the most violent phase of a war to re-establish the Russian empire. It is a war that did not begin then, or even in 2014 when Russian forces occupied Crimea and pressed into the Donbas. Rather, the conflict began at least 20 years earlier, within years of the collapse of the Soviet Union, when Russia began a number of campaigns to restore its former power.

In short, Russia’s attack on Ukraine is no normal power grab. And that is why so many experts have misunderstood it.

Attempts by international-relations theorists to explain Russian behavior in terms of “realism” founder because they think of states apart from their cultures and histories, not to mention the personalities of their leaders. In thinking that the war was the result of NATO expansion, they misread Russia as a normal state seeking normal guarantees of security that in turn meant they misunderstood its predatory and destructive proclivities. As grasping and brutal as Vladimir Putin might be, the issue is much larger than one dictator.

Wars reveal much about societies, and this one is no exception. The invasion of Ukraine is not about legitimate grievance, or even the aspirations of a dictator, but about a more profound problem of Russia’s imperial self-conception. And that is why assuring victory to Ukraine and a defeat of those ambitions is so important.


Russia’s history is one of expansion and empire, a past from which it has, with rare exceptions, been unable and unwilling to break. This, and not domestic terror, explains the passive support for this war in its opening phases. Ukraine’s independence and Westernization are simply unacceptable to Russian imperialism.

The assault on Kyiv was the culmination of a project of imperial restoration. It was reflected in such efforts as the creation of the Collective Security Treaty Organization in 1992 to cement Russia’s military presence in Central Asia; attempts to build energy dependence on Russia; subversion and co-optation of former Soviet states; seizure of parts of Georgia; and threats against the Baltic states.

The 2022 war has been a catastrophe for these ambitions. Russia’s military has been humiliated, its forces driven first from the outskirts of Kyiv, then from Kharkiv and now from Kherson, its arsenals revealed as a jumble of second-rate equipment, its Black Sea flagship sunk, its call-ups an administrative shambles. Its Central Asian alliances have collapsed, as Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan, in particular, have effectively opposed the Ukraine war while detaching themselves from Russian influence. Its oil and gas weapon has not sufficed to bring Europe to heel. The Russian economy has suffered a battering from sanctions, even as hundreds of thousands of the country’s most talented young people have fled, while others have been swept up in a ruinous press-ganging.


Wars are in some measure societal tests, and this one has revealed the corruption that permeates post-Soviet Russia, and the paranoia that informs its decision makers. When the likes of Vladimir Solovyov or Margarita Simonyan rave on Russian television about the Nazis and Satanists of the West, they are not simply cynical, though they are that. They reflect a pervasive governmental mood and temper.

The invasion of Ukraine has caused a profound change in European attitudes toward Russia; it will lead to the expansion of NATO’s borders as Finland and Sweden join. It has animated Poland and transformed German attitudes, among others. It has caused Ukraine, through its suffering at Russian hands, not only to deepen its hatred of Moscow but also to forge a democratic nationalism that will make it Russia’s most implacable enemy.

Russia may have sympathizers in Africa and Asia, but they can do it little good. The nation runs the risk of becoming a Chinese vassal state, and even lesser powers like Turkey can stare it down. When Russia declared it would stop allowing Ukrainian grain exports, President Tayyip Erdogan threatened to escort grain carriers with Turkish warships, and President Putin backed down.

Difficult road forward​

It would be reassuring to believe that the stream of disasters will bring reform if not revolution in Russia. This is possible but unlikely. It is not only that the mechanisms of repression are too strong: It is that, alas, Russian culture seems to be one of acquiescence even if coupled with mistrust of the Kremlin’s plans. Centuries of autocracy, followed by more than two generations of totalitarianism, have left their mark. Russia’s liberal heroes too often end up fleeing, exiled or simply murdered. There is not much to work with here to create a democratic and law-abiding culture, at least in the short term.

Instead, two possibilities loom. One is civil war, as the system comes apart. There are signs that this might happen. Paramilitary organizations have emerged outside the control of the Russian military. There are occasional explosions of anger and dissent, and incidents of mutiny in the armed forces. Sooner or later, Russia’s streets will see a swarm of angry veterans out to avenge humiliation and defeat. Russia has known chaos and civil war before. There is no reason to think it might not again.

The other possibility is that either by stalemate or outright defeat, Russia nonetheless holds together under its present leadership, or perhaps one in which President Putin, like so many of his enemies, mysteriously falls out a window and is replaced by another former secret policeman. This is the more likely and also the more dangerous outcome. Russia will have been defeated and humiliated, and will be scheming for revenge.

A Cold War of a kind has thus returned. The West will have to stand watch against a threat that will take multiple forms. It will have to rearm itself and fortify its Eastern glacis. It will have to protect its infrastructure against sabotage, while defending its societies against subversion and distraction. Russia will be weaker but still dangerous, and patience and resolve will be needed to block it.

We have been here before. At the end of his summation of the post-World War I decade, Winston Churchill wrote of “Russia, self outcast,” sharpening “her bayonets in her Arctic night,” even as it proclaimed a “philosophy of hatred and death.” But as he also noted, the Russian challenge and others were not greater than those we had already overcome. With Western determination, a weakened and isolated Russia will be thwarted. In decades or generations, it may even find a different way back into a Western world that it has always feared and envied—and secretly admired."

Dr. Cohen is professor at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies and holds the chair in strategy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. He can be reached at [email protected].
 
1. Don't we have a You-Crane thread?

2. I think we view the Ukraine situation from a very US-centric perspective. We think the only ones that can invade a country because "we said so" is the US. Everyone else isn't allowed. I'm still not sure what's right and wrong on this whole thing, but I know that our knee-jerk reaction is "they can't do that!" But if/when we do it, we are MORE than justified.
 
I know that our knee-jerk reaction is "they can't do that!" But if/when we do it, we are MORE than justified.
most of europe sees it same way on what US does, but, europe remembers WW2 all too well still, so, in that particular situation there is no moral duality at all of what happens and what needs to happen.
what is not great is the rate of escalation it all assumes.

and a complete lack of comprehension of what the classic russian fatalism is, and to what degree it can influence completely irrational decisions.
as it truly gets now more and more toward classic gangsta 'you die today i die tomorrow' ending.
 
1. Don't we have a You-Crane thread?

2. I think we view the Ukraine situation from a very US-centric perspective. We think the only ones that can invade a country because "we said so" is the US. Everyone else isn't allowed. I'm still not sure what's right and wrong on this whole thing, but I know that our knee-jerk reaction is "they can't do that!" But if/when we do it, we are MORE than justified.
The gist of the article is to explain to the public the motivation and mindset of Dictators like Putin, Xi, etc.
They believe they are a great people who deserve to rule their Sphere of Influence. They believe they are "PURE" people, unlike the West which is obsessed with diversity which abhors them. Same motivation that drove Hitler and the Japanese High Command to start WWII. We are mutts to them, inferior human beings who deserve to be ruled by them because we allow our race to be "integrated" with inferior races. These Despots don't change their spots because this is their belief system.
The Ukraine is only a starting point, Putin believes Europe is their domain and Xi believes Asia is China's Domain.
 
Hitler believed the Aryan race was the superior European race and wanted more "living space" for the good Germans. The Slavs, Russians were peasants who were to ignorant to rule, he admired the British because of their conquests and Colony's.
Why do you think Putin dumped Brittany and kept Whelan?
She is a Negro lesbian which disgusts him while Whelan is a white ex-Marine who he wants to make an example of and demonstrate Russia's superiority over America.
 
Why do you think Putin dumped Brittany and kept Whelan?
She is a Negro lesbian which disgusts him while Whelan is a white ex-Marine who he wants to make an example of and demonstrate Russia's superiority over America.
From what I read it was the Biden admin that chose her.
 
1. Don't we have a You-Crane thread?

2. I think we view the Ukraine situation from a very US-centric perspective. We think the only ones that can invade a country because "we said so" is the US. Everyone else isn't allowed. I'm still not sure what's right and wrong on this whole thing, but I know that our knee-jerk reaction is "they can't do that!" But if/when we do it, we are MORE than justified.
Do you have an example where we invaded a neighbor to seize their land, in the last century? Or hell, invaded any country in the last hundred years to seize their land?

The U.S. has had questionable invasions. The U.S. has even had clearly immoral invasions (Libya). But nothing in modern times like what Russia is doing in Ukraine.
 

Ukraine says it destroyed Russia's Wagner militia regional headquarters, army base in Melitopol​

If this is true Putin must be infuriated. His personal Mercenaries got cooked. Payback's a Bitch Vlad.

 
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Do you have an example where we invaded a neighbor to seize their land, in the last century? Or hell, invaded any country in the last hundred years to seize their land?

The U.S. has had questionable invasions. The U.S. has even had clearly immoral invasions (Libya). But nothing in modern times like what Russia is doing in Ukraine.
You are correct, we haven't.
 
Do you have an example where we invaded a neighbor to seize their land, in the last century? Or hell, invaded any country in the last hundred years to seize their land?
The U.S. has had questionable invasions. The U.S. has even had clearly immoral invasions (Libya). But nothing in modern times like what Russia is doing in Ukraine.
mexico has very strong feelings about it, actually.
to count that or not into 'last 100 years' is the other deal.
 

I read because of the sanctions and lack of chips Russian auto factories had to re-engineer their cars and produce them without electronics' like fuel injection, anti-lock brakes, traction control, automatic tranny's, power windows, etc.
Who says the sanctions aren't working and the Russian people aren't suffering?
 
When we started shipping crates of money over to Ukraine is when I realized that at some point this year we shipped over more money than the entire military budget of Russia. So now we're outspending Russia's entire military inside the Ukraine to fight a war that we don't even know about except a lot of politicians have kids on corporate boards of directors and substantial investments for lord knows what.
 
When we started shipping crates of money over to Ukraine is when I realized that at some point this year we shipped over more money than the entire military budget of Russia. So now we're outspending Russia's entire military inside the Ukraine to fight a war that we don't even know about except a lot of politicians have kids on corporate boards of directors and substantial investments for lord knows what.
So you would rather let Little Puty have his way with the Ukranian people?
The Ukrainians are doing the fighting and dying, better than our boys and girls in Uniform.
The Biden Admin has printed money and given it out to his supporters, I'd much rather see my tax dollars used to kill Russian Soldiers than fund snowflakes sitting at home. Unfortunately, we have to fund both thanks to Leftist voters.
 
So you would rather let Little Puty have his way with the Ukranian people?
The Ukrainians are doing the fighting and dying, better than our boys and girls in Uniform.
The Biden Admin has printed money and given it out to his supporters, I'd much rather see my tax dollars used to kill Russian Soldiers than fund snowflakes sitting at home. Unfortunately, we have to fund both thanks to Leftist voters.

I don't want my tax dollars funding anything. I would like the tax dollars back in my pocket than a stupid war or mindless zombie leftists.
 
I don't want my tax dollars funding anything. I would like the tax dollars back in my pocket than a stupid war or mindless zombie leftists.
So you believe in unicorn's and fairy tales. [rofl]
If the money wasn't going to Ukrainian Arms and weapons systems, it would be going to Transgender ed. and CRT classes. The Teachers Unions are sitting on Billions they received from Covid funds so maybe Biden should get that money back to fund the Ukranian Army.
Vette girl, call Richie Neal, Liawatha, Markey, Moulton, etc. to voice your concerns.
20 yrs. ago I was in Bosnia and Russian Soldiers were trying to sell us their boots, jackets, winter hats, etc.
We had our chance to change Russia after the Cold War and we kicked the can down the road.
 
I felt the same way when the tax guy informed me I didn't pay enough and had to send a poultry $6500 check to the IRS 😡

I've paid insane amounts of taxes in the last 20 years. I go to Walmart at the first of the month and I see the EBT cards getting whipped out and then I realize I am paying for everyone in there. Despite all of the taxes what do I get out of it, other than some vague promise of homeland defense and whether or that my cottage cheese is tasty enough? Eventually a few years ago I finally found a way to cash out some of those tax dollars when they had a wood stove pellet stove swap from the EPA. All things considered it was a fantastic swap and I received a $2500 voucher that also came with an additional $500 voucher to pay for a pellet stove and top it off a $500 coupon from the manufacturer. At least that one year I feel like I paid a little less in taxes and have something to show for it.

When I first bought my viper the first excise tax bill was around $5k and I'm thinking, this is a new car that's driven a few hundred miles every year, in perfect shape and yet those $500 putt putt Hondas that don't even have inspection stickers can tear up the roads and pay next to nothing for the privilege of driving on the roads. None of this makes any sense any more.

So when I say I don't want to pay for proxy wars 6,000 miles away or insane gimmes for undeserving a*holes then I'm sorry, not sorry. F* all these stupid wars. We can take taxes from a railroad worker and force that guy to pay for a war in Ukraine and when that same blue collar worker who has no sick time asks for a couple of sick days a year, the answer is shut up and go back to work and stop complaining.
 
So you believe in unicorn's and fairy tales. [rofl]
If the money wasn't going to Ukrainian Arms and weapons systems, it would be going to Transgender ed. and CRT classes. The Teachers Unions are sitting on Billions they received from Covid funds so maybe Biden should get that money back to fund the Ukranian Army.
Vette girl, call Richie Neal, Liawatha, Markey, Moulton, etc. to voice your concerns.
20 yrs. ago I was in Bosnia and Russian Soldiers were trying to sell us their boots, jackets, winter hats, etc.
We had our chance to change Russia after the Cold War and we kicked the can down the road.

We don't need either. We don't need a war and we don't need silly CRT/transgender/whatever BS. Cancel it all. Fire half of the FBI/NSA/CIA/DOD and give me my goddam money back because it's just being wasted for nothing.
 
The author is just another delusional neoliberal.
Yeah, a “neoliberal” who taught Strategy at the Naval War College and whose most recent book is “The Big Stick: The Limits of Soft Power and the Necessity of Military Force.”

“In The Big Stick, Eliot… argues that hard power remains essential for American foreign policy. While acknowledging that the U.S. must be careful about why, when, and how it uses force, he insists that its international role is as critical as ever, and armed force is vital to that role.

Cohen explains that American leaders must learn to use hard power in new ways and for new circumstances. The rise of a well-armed China, Russia's conquest of Crimea and eastern Ukraine, nuclear threats from North Korea and Iran, and the spread of radical Islamist movements like ISIS are some of the key threats to global peace. If the U.S. relinquishes its position as a strong but prudent military power, and fails to accept its role as the guardian of a stable world order, we risk unleashing disorder, violence and tyranny on a scale not seen since the 1930s.”
 
Yeah, a “neoliberal” who taught Strategy at the Naval War College and whose most recent book is “The Big Stick: The Limits of Soft Power and the Necessity of Military Force.”

“In The Big Stick, Eliot… argues that hard power remains essential for American foreign policy. While acknowledging that the U.S. must be careful about why, when, and how it uses force, he insists that its international role is as critical as ever, and armed force is vital to that role.

Cohen explains that American leaders must learn to use hard power in new ways and for new circumstances. The rise of a well-armed China, Russia's conquest of Crimea and eastern Ukraine, nuclear threats from North Korea and Iran, and the spread of radical Islamist movements like ISIS are some of the key threats to global peace. If the U.S. relinquishes its position as a strong but prudent military power, and fails to accept its role as the guardian of a stable world order, we risk unleashing disorder, violence and tyranny on a scale not seen since the 1930s.”
Couldn't have said it better, the world is a big, bad place full of big, bad Actors whose whole lives have been about a Greater Russia/China which means they need to defeat the Big Boy on the block which is us. They make no secret of it; they actually give speeches and write papers detailing their intentions.
 
You only knew how much hate was spewed towards the US in Russia even before the invasion. USSR/Russia used the US as a reason for invading Afghanistan, Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine. Just ask immigrants from the Soviet Union/Russia.

Here's another historical fact I mentioned here on the forum: the history of Russia is one of constant war. If someone tries to talk to you about the great Russian culture of arts, just ask them this: in 200 years leading up to the Red Revolution in Russia, How long has Russia been at peace with its neighbors, and how many of those wars were started by Russia? The answer is 3 months, and 93% of all wars were started by Russia.

This is the culture of that nation: barbaric warmongering. Ukraine has its dark history as well, but just like Germany, they're facing it and trying to do better. Russians, on the other hand, are not and are continuing their imperialistic march.

Regarding American imperialism/neo-whatever. Ask ANY neighbor of Russia if they feel safe in their territorial integrity. I doubt anyone, including China will answer in a positive. Ask the same of US neighbors.
 


Here's another historical fact I mentioned here on the forum: the history of Russia is one of constant war. …
I largely agree with your point, but the U.S. has been a country of constant war too. Ever since our founding, I think there have only been 4 years where we haven’t been directly fighting in some sort of conflict. Maybe it was 7, I forget. But single digit, regardless. Hell, we were even doing expeditionary warfare well before WWI. I just think it’s fair to point that out.
 
Absolutely felt this guy. When Nations are broken down to the citizens, we are all the same. We work, we eat, we wed, we parent, and we die.
Governments, power-hungry Governments are the problem. Not the Peoples...
There are a couple of points he made that point to this guy being a complete hypocrite and a**h***:
1) he said that people who left Russia and don't love it are traitors. Rachmaninoff(composer), Sikorsky(helicopter inventor), Seversky(Founder of Republic aircraft and the person who came up with the idea of Strategic Air Command), Kartveli(designer of the famous P-47 Thunderbolt and F86 Sabre designs), Baryshnikov(ballet dancer, movie star). These kinds of people he is calling traitors! Why? Because they saw that "regular people" and "corrupt politicians" are enabling each other to promote hate towards others, corruption and imperialism.
2) He was very adamant that he left on "vacation" and did not run from the draft. Riiight. This guy is full of it! The draft is still going on! there has be NO order to stop the draft. NONE! In the meantime, he disparages others for leaving Russia.
3) He is lying about free travel! There are no direct flights from Russia to pretty much anywhere. China, Europe, most of the Middle East, and none of the Americas. To get to turkey, he had to fly to Kazakhstan and then transfer to Turkish airlines. The price of flights to Istanbul went from $200 pre-war to $10,000 today. Which tells me he's lying about being "just a regular Russian person." No regular Russian person has this kind of money to spend!
4) he is talking about how everyone is friendly to each other in Turkey. Ukrainians are friendly to the Russians, and Americans are friendly to the Russians. Just because they didn't beat the crap out of you for fear of breaking local laws doesn't mean they're "nice to Russians."

I know many Russian immigrants who left Russia, adopted our way of life, and made America their homeland! So did countless immigrants from all corners of this world who came here legally and made America their home! This guy is an idiot if he thinks a warmongering and corrupt country like Russia is the only true "homeland."
 
I largely agree with your point, but the U.S. has been a country of constant war too. Ever since our founding, I think there have only been 4 years where we haven’t been directly fighting in some sort of conflict. Maybe it was 7, I forget. But single digit, regardless. Hell, we were even doing expeditionary warfare well before WWI. I just think it’s fair to point that out.
Few questions I'd like you to answer:
Did we invade our neighbors?
Did we expand our territories through force?
Did we invade another country and called it "original American territory"?
Did we leave Germany and most of Western Europe independent after WW2 or did we keep them as US territories/states/satellites?
We fought for Koreans who were being taken over by the murdering Chinese! Did we make South Korea a US territory?
Did we make Iraq our 51st state in 1990s?

The fact is, the United States has been the only force for good in this world for the past 100+ years! America has fought for those who asked for our help, never taking over their country.
Europe, in its 1000-year history, has NEVER experienced 50+ years of peace until the United States got involved!?
 
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