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Virginia beach shooting

What does an extended capacity .45 hold typically? I never saw a detail other than they keep printing it was such but if it isnt a glock he used (with a ridiculous magazine) then I wonder if it was only 10 rounds or less - .45s just dont hold much before they get stupid...

I almost think they just assumed the detail like they assume an AR15.
 
“All indications were that the shooter purchased the weapons legally, one in 2016 and one in 2018...

Speaking at a vigil Sunday, pastor Luther Allen pleaded with political leaders and activists to break the cycle of mass shootings."We are tired of the same old same old of violence and outcry and prayer and back to the same old thing again," he said. "God, we need something different and we need it right now.”

Virginia Beach shooter notified boss of plans to leave job


Something “different” like Universal Background Checks and 10-day waiting periods? No wait, let me guess - it’s a start, right?

Dewar is now calling for every city office to have metal detectors.

https://nypost.com/2019/06/02/hero-...ve-colleagues-during-virginia-beach-shooting/

Sure, let’s have a line of people in a fatal funnel doorway...
 
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Don't give them any talking points if Biden were ever to be shot.

BTW, I didn't know Biden was the author of the 94 AWB. Now I know, f*** that Catholic shithead.

My comment was only to raise awareness that Biden authored that bill. No veiled, dark thoughts. He's a "viable" dem candidate for 2020 and people need to know that he ISN'T an alternative whether or not you're fed up with Trump's shenanigans.
 
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No it won't. It was played out the minute the press found out the shooter's race. They'll maybe show some funeral BS but the shooting story is history.

Monday morning will bring new news

You was right! Same if searching mass shooting. Some lingering about suppressors and extended magazines.
 
“All indications were that the shooter purchased the weapons legally, one in 2016 and one in 2018...

Speaking at a vigil Sunday, pastor Luther Allen pleaded with political leaders and activists to break the cycle of mass shootings."We are tired of the same old same old of violence and outcry and prayer and back to the same old thing again," he said. "God, we need something different and we need it right now.”

Virginia Beach shooter notified boss of plans to leave job


Something “different” like Universal Background Checks and 10-day waiting periods? No wait, let me guess - it’s a start, right?

Dewar is now calling for every city office to have metal detectors.

https://nypost.com/2019/06/02/hero-...ve-colleagues-during-virginia-beach-shooting/

Sure, let’s have a line of people in a fatal funnel doorway...
While the type of weapons and accessories change as well as the background, religious beliefs and political ideology of these mass shooters also change, the one constant that endures with these tragedies is f***ing “gun-free” zones!

If this “pastor” really wants to make a change that will have a real effect, we should all (Dems, Repubs, Libertarians, Greenies, etc) support the banishment of “gun-free” zones!!
 
Has anyone seen facts on the actual firearms used, and what the “extended” magazines were? I’ve not been able to find anything. All I see is the parroted phrase “.45 caliber handguns with extended magazines”. Per the comment above, I’d love to know if extended simple means 10.
 
Has anyone seen facts on the actual firearms used, and what the “extended” magazines were? I’ve not been able to find anything. All I see is the parroted phrase “.45 caliber handguns with extended magazines”. Per the comment above, I’d love to know if extended simple means 10.

I believe that they are using the term "extended magazine" as a generic term describing a standard capacity mag (i.e. > 10 rounds) [thinking]

Some public official (can't remember who) made a comment to the press that they need legislation to prohibit the use of extended magazines above ten rounds or something to that affect which stuck in my head
 
The Virginia Beach Shooting: Are We Ignoring The Obvious?

The immediate reaction to the mass shooting of 12 municipal workers in Virginia Beach has been to focus on gun control.

Virginia Governor Ralph Northam announced Tuesday he will ask lawmakers to consider a package of gun-control legislation. He said the Virginia Beach shooting calls for “votes and laws, not thoughts and prayers.”

But something else may be at play in the rampage that should be acknowledged, if only in the interests of preventing future incidents.

We may never know why the 40-year-old Virginia Beach shooter took two semiautomatic handguns to the municipal building and killed 12 of his co-workers, including two supervisors. He died in a gun battle with police. But we know one thing. The shooting occurred at his workplace, and it is unlikely that this is a random coincidence.

The shooter had earlier emailed his supervisor a letter of resignation from his job as an engineer for the utilities department of the city of Virginia Beach. He said he was resigning for “personal reasons” and gave two weeks’ notice. Apparently, no one tried to talk him out of it.

Nothing could ever justify or condone the Virginia Beach shooter's actions, but it is worth examining what steps, if any, the city of Virginia Beach could have taken to avert the tragedy and whether it can take any steps to protect future employees from harm.

Workplace violence often appears to be a random act that has no logical cause but, upon closer inspection, underlying factors exist that may help to explain it. In some cases, the perpetrator showed signs of psychological distress that were ignored or unaddressed by the employer. Workplace conditions can inadvertently (or intentionally) foment conflict. Low staffing levels, for example, are known to cause extreme stress to overworked workers. Feelings of unfairness in work assignments and promotions provoke conflict. Heavy-handed management and ill treatment of workers cause alienation and bitterness.

Many employers today anticipate the possibility of violence in the workplace. Some employers create multidisciplinary teams to assess and mitigate potential threats. Some employers offer employee assistance plans or education and training programs.

Maybe Governor Northam should also call upon Virginia lawmakers to consider a package of worker protection legislation?

No Right To Dignity

For American workers, the workplace can be a mean, irrational place. This observation in no way excuses workplace violence but it may explain why it occurs.

Many U.S. workers labor for long hours for low pay. Wages adjusted for inflation have barely budged in a decade. And when the blush of youth fades, they can be essentially locked out of the workplace, and forced to choose between under-employment or unemployment for the rest of their lives.

Sadly, U.S. workers lack some key worker protections found in other developed countries. Consider that:

  • Many industrialized countries recognize that workers have a basic human right to be treated with respect and dignity. For example, the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union states that workers have the right to working conditions that respect their health, safety and dignity. Not so the United States.
  • Every U.S. state is an employment “at-will” state. Workers without unions or contractual protection can be fired for any reason so long as it does not violate public policy or the law (i.e., whistleblowing, discrimination). This policy is premised on the false notion that both sides are equally free to discontinue the working relationship. In reality, it is far more difficult for workers to quit and find new jobs than it is for employers to find new workers.
  • Unfairness has been effectively normalized for some U.S. workers. A recent survey by iHire, a Midwest talent search firm, found that 53% of self-described baby boomers have experienced age discrimination. The federal law prohibiting age discrimination in employment has been on the books for 50 years but it is almost unenforceable due to federal court rulings that the U.S. Congress has done nothing to “fix.”
  • Unlike the United States, many developed countries regulate psychological violence (i.e., workplace bullying) in the workplace. There is overwhelming research that workplace bullying can result in severe mental and physical harm to targets.
  • The sharp decline of unions in the U.S. has left a void. The Organisation for Economic Co-Operation and Development (OECD) says trade union density (union membership as a percentage of total employees) has fallen to 10% in the U.S., compared to 26% in Canada, 23% in the United Kingdom and 66.1 % in Sweden. Worker protections often are pioneered by unions.
  • Stress is killing many American workers. The Centers for Disease Control says stress is the leading workplace health problem and a major occupational health risk, ranking above physical inactivity and obesity. Research shows that 40% of American workers report their job is “very or extremely stressful.”
Any episode of workplace violence, especially the extreme violence that occurred in Virginia Beach, should prompt an employer to immediately and reflectively examine what steps, if any, it could have taken to avert the violence and what steps it can take in the future to protect its workers.

It’s not enough to put a better lock on the door. The problem may be within.
 
That author is a moron. He first says the US should adopt EU worker rights (which are bullshit becuase they trample the rights of the business owner) and then immediately after acknowledges Unions are failing becuase they did exactly what he wants the country to do in the above section.
 
The Virginia Beach Shooting: Are We Ignoring The Obvious?
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Sadly, U.S. workers lack some key worker protections found in other developed countries. Consider that:

  • Many industrialized countries recognize that workers have a basic human right to be treated with respect and dignity. For example, the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union states that workers have the right to working conditions that respect their health, safety and dignity. Not so the United States.
  • Every U.S. state is an employment “at-will” state. Workers without unions or contractual protection can be fired for any reason so long as it does not violate public policy or the law (i.e., whistleblowing, discrimination). This policy is premised on the false notion that both sides are equally free to discontinue the working relationship. In reality, it is far more difficult for workers to quit and find new jobs than it is for employers to find new workers.
  • Unfairness has been effectively normalized for some U.S. workers. A recent survey by iHire, a Midwest talent search firm, found that 53% of self-described baby boomers have experienced age discrimination. The federal law prohibiting age discrimination in employment has been on the books for 50 years but it is almost unenforceable due to federal court rulings that the U.S. Congress has done nothing to “fix.”
  • Unlike the United States, many developed countries regulate psychological violence (i.e., workplace bullying) in the workplace. There is overwhelming research that workplace bullying can result in severe mental and physical harm to targets.
  • The sharp decline of unions in the U.S. has left a void. The Organisation for Economic Co-Operation and Development (OECD) says trade union density (union membership as a percentage of total employees) has fallen to 10% in the U.S., compared to 26% in Canada, 23% in the United Kingdom and 66.1 % in Sweden. Worker protections often are pioneered by unions.
  • Stress is killing many American workers. The Centers for Disease Control says stress is the leading workplace health problem and a major occupational health risk, ranking above physical inactivity and obesity. Research shows that 40% of American workers report their job is “very or extremely stressful.”
...
It’s not enough to put a better lock on the door. The problem may be within.
The problem is within, but not the way the author thinks it is.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" HLM

The answer to out-of-control government that's perverted the free market employee-employer relationship almost out of existence is not more government.
 
Muncipal workers are typically unionized and several workplace shooters have been union members. That article is typical bullshit of trying to blame everything on capitalism while claiming socialism is the answer, despite the impressive body count socialism has racked up over the past century.
 
Muncipal workers are typically unionized and several workplace shooters have been union members. That article is typical bullshit of trying to blame everything on capitalism while claiming socialism is the answer, despite the impressive body count socialism has racked up over the past century.
Question for me from that article is whether
dangling worker rights BS in front of legislators
will deflect the antis via a "squirrel!" moment.

(Although lately legislators have had more practice
writing gun control laws than workplace laws).
 
Unions in the US used to be anti globalist and did not shill for cultural Marxist politics. In fact a lot of commies held contempt for American unions because of their nativist views. Now? Not so much. "Woke capital" is a thing too. Many multi billion dollar firms are all for gun control, censorship, and front globalist politics. They put a rainbow flag over their logos while cutting wages and making the workplace increasingly a living hell.
 
Your average criminal will not be able to get a "silencer".

The government should be more concerned about the 4,000 killings in Chicago than the likelihood of a shooter using a "silencer".

Keep the Chicago criminals locked up and the won't be able to use a gun, let alone a silencer.
 
I guess with the Virginia Beach murders Gov. Northam has seen an opportunity to distract folks from his personal baggage by going after standard capacity magazines.

Someone here can tell me for sure but isn't there at least a couple magazine limit lawsuits slowly winding their way toward SCOTUS.

So I would say go ahead Gov. Northam lets make it one more lawsuit, if three or four of these arrive on SCOTUS doorstep at roughly the same time it is going to be hard for them to justify not picking one up.
Of course not knowing how they will rule I guess I should be careful what I wish for while Ruthie is still there and Roberts is playing the role of wild card.



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Linked in that article is this:

Cases where concealed handgun permit holders have stopped mass public shootings are available here. (UPDATED: Compiling Cases where concealed handgun permit holders have stopped mass public shootings and other mass attacks - Crime Prevention Research Center)

I thought most mass shootings happened in schools but only ONE of those 48 cases is cited as happening at a school.

What, lawful CCW holders don't carry in schools or something?
 
What, lawful CCW holders don't carry in schools or something?
It's unlawful for lawful CCW holders to protect and defend themselves in schools and other gun free zones too.We wouldn't want them to survive a mass shooting or save the life's of other innocents now would we?;)
 
It's unlawful for lawful CCW holders to protect and defend themselves in schools and other gun free zones too.We wouldn't want them to survive a mass shooting or save the life's of other innocents now would we?;)

You can't possibly justify killing someone simply to prevent them from murdering dozens of innocent bystanders?! You heartless bastard!
 
The Virginia Beach Shooting: Are We Ignoring The Obvious?

The immediate reaction to the mass shooting of 12 municipal workers in Virginia Beach has been to focus on gun control.

Virginia Governor Ralph Northam announced Tuesday he will ask lawmakers to consider a package of gun-control legislation. He said the Virginia Beach shooting calls for “votes and laws, not thoughts and prayers.”

But something else may be at play in the rampage that should be acknowledged, if only in the interests of preventing future incidents.

We may never know why the 40-year-old Virginia Beach shooter took two semiautomatic handguns to the municipal building and killed 12 of his co-workers, including two supervisors. He died in a gun battle with police. But we know one thing. The shooting occurred at his workplace, and it is unlikely that this is a random coincidence.

The shooter had earlier emailed his supervisor a letter of resignation from his job as an engineer for the utilities department of the city of Virginia Beach. He said he was resigning for “personal reasons” and gave two weeks’ notice. Apparently, no one tried to talk him out of it.

Nothing could ever justify or condone the Virginia Beach shooter's actions, but it is worth examining what steps, if any, the city of Virginia Beach could have taken to avert the tragedy and whether it can take any steps to protect future employees from harm.

Workplace violence often appears to be a random act that has no logical cause but, upon closer inspection, underlying factors exist that may help to explain it. In some cases, the perpetrator showed signs of psychological distress that were ignored or unaddressed by the employer. Workplace conditions can inadvertently (or intentionally) foment conflict. Low staffing levels, for example, are known to cause extreme stress to overworked workers. Feelings of unfairness in work assignments and promotions provoke conflict. Heavy-handed management and ill treatment of workers cause alienation and bitterness.

Many employers today anticipate the possibility of violence in the workplace. Some employers create multidisciplinary teams to assess and mitigate potential threats. Some employers offer employee assistance plans or education and training programs.

Maybe Governor Northam should also call upon Virginia lawmakers to consider a package of worker protection legislation?

No Right To Dignity

For American workers, the workplace can be a mean, irrational place. This observation in no way excuses workplace violence but it may explain why it occurs.

Many U.S. workers labor for long hours for low pay. Wages adjusted for inflation have barely budged in a decade. And when the blush of youth fades, they can be essentially locked out of the workplace, and forced to choose between under-employment or unemployment for the rest of their lives.

Sadly, U.S. workers lack some key worker protections found in other developed countries. Consider that:

  • Many industrialized countries recognize that workers have a basic human right to be treated with respect and dignity. For example, the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union states that workers have the right to working conditions that respect their health, safety and dignity. Not so the United States.
  • Every U.S. state is an employment “at-will” state. Workers without unions or contractual protection can be fired for any reason so long as it does not violate public policy or the law (i.e., whistleblowing, discrimination). This policy is premised on the false notion that both sides are equally free to discontinue the working relationship. In reality, it is far more difficult for workers to quit and find new jobs than it is for employers to find new workers.
  • Unfairness has been effectively normalized for some U.S. workers. A recent survey by iHire, a Midwest talent search firm, found that 53% of self-described baby boomers have experienced age discrimination. The federal law prohibiting age discrimination in employment has been on the books for 50 years but it is almost unenforceable due to federal court rulings that the U.S. Congress has done nothing to “fix.”
  • Unlike the United States, many developed countries regulate psychological violence (i.e., workplace bullying) in the workplace. There is overwhelming research that workplace bullying can result in severe mental and physical harm to targets.
  • The sharp decline of unions in the U.S. has left a void. The Organisation for Economic Co-Operation and Development (OECD) says trade union density (union membership as a percentage of total employees) has fallen to 10% in the U.S., compared to 26% in Canada, 23% in the United Kingdom and 66.1 % in Sweden. Worker protections often are pioneered by unions.
  • Stress is killing many American workers. The Centers for Disease Control says stress is the leading workplace health problem and a major occupational health risk, ranking above physical inactivity and obesity. Research shows that 40% of American workers report their job is “very or extremely stressful.”
Any episode of workplace violence, especially the extreme violence that occurred in Virginia Beach, should prompt an employer to immediately and reflectively examine what steps, if any, it could have taken to avert the violence and what steps it can take in the future to protect its workers.

It’s not enough to put a better lock on the door. The problem may be within.

It's funny that he's saying more government intervention is needed. The overwhelming majority of "workplace violence" mass shootings that I can think of have been committed by government employees. From Virginia Beach, to the Navy Yard, to the Post Office shootings...where we get the phrase "going postal" from. Even San Bernardino and Fort Hood (labeled as workplace violence instead of terrorism by the Obama administration) were committed by government employees. I honestly can't think of a single "workplace violence" mass shooting that has occurred that wasn't committed by a government employee.
 
It's unlawful for lawful CCW holders to protect and defend themselves in schools and other gun free zones too.We wouldn't want them to survive a mass shooting or save the life's of other innocents now would we?;)
You can't possibly justify killing someone simply to prevent them from murdering dozens of innocent bystanders?! You heartless bastard!
If the kids want to defend themselves against an active shooter,
let them use their own guns.

And if anyone remembers all of the "yout arrested after busting a cap on rival at school"
stories in the New York Daily News during the 70's,
they'll realize that sentiment used to be more plausible than
Archie Bunker's solution for skyjackings.

ETA: Note well - they were not front-page stories.
Another day; another scholar caught packing a roscoe
(before or after using it).
Students packing in city schools
ranked right up there with "water is wet".
 
If the kids want to defend themselves against an active shooter,
let them use their own guns.

And if anyone remembers all of the "yout arrested after busting a cap on rival at school"
stories in the New York Daily News during the 70's,
they'll realize that sentiment used to be more plausible than
Archie Bunker's solution for skyjackings.

ETA: Note well - they were not front-page stories.
Another day; another scholar caught packing a roscoe
(before or after using it).
Students packing in city schools
ranked right up there with "water is wet".

I wasn't necessarily advocating that we as private citizens become armed super heroes, more poking "fun" at the fact that most of the shootings where one of us thwarted the ne'er do well, and that most of the settings were not gun free zones.
 
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