TonyD
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Said SWAT officer was present in Gabe's course in 2005 too and he was an active participant in the discussion surrounding the use of SUL.
Was he describing Sul as the picture indicates?
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Said SWAT officer was present in Gabe's course in 2005 too and he was an active participant in the discussion surrounding the use of SUL.
IIRC, it was close, but not pointing quite as straight down as that. More of a 15% angle forward or so.Was he describing Sul as the picture indicates?
IIRC, it was close, but not pointing quite as straight down as that. More of a 15% angle forward or so.
I think we are splitting hairs at this point...
I think we are splitting hairs at this point...
The officer in Randy's class did indeed have his gun takeaway by Randy. Randy is very opposed to the SUL position ans spoke for over 10 minutes about the evils of the SUL position. The officer, in question, was told by Randy exactly how to hold the gun prior to the take away. The officer was not allowed any defensive moves as Randy demonstrated the take away.
Derek, not necessarily.
Hold you hand like that (no gun) with index finger pointed straight down! You are breaking your wrist and in a very unnatural position for your hand.
Now hold your hand at ~30 deg angle with index finger pointed. You are at a natural extension of your arm and have your wrist locked.
In any case you may well cross body parts (yours or a partner's) and this is a whole separate discussion about tactical team shooting. Gabe went over it, it's probably in his books and it is likely to be a hotly debated topic.
15 degrees, 30 degrees -- I didn't have a protractor at the timeI read M1911 say 15 degrees. That isn't much.
15 degrees, 30 degrees -- I didn't have a protractor at the time
Let's just say it wasn't pointed at his feet and it wasn't 45 degrees. Somewhere in between. I thought closer to vertical than 30 degrees, but I may be misremembering.
Ken, the way the SWAT officer was holding the gun, he did indeed have his support hand between the gun and his abdomen. I'm guessing that the purpose of this was to ensure that the gun was not, in fact, pointed at his feet -- the support hand forced the angle off vertical.
This image appears to show Gabe in a similar position to picture above:
http://www.themartialist.com/0104/suarez.htm
Perhaps Gabe has changed his position since this picture was taken.