I dont see what the color of his skin has to do with anything. It feels like this country has gone back 40 years.
Because there is money to be made if racism is kept alive.
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I dont see what the color of his skin has to do with anything. It feels like this country has gone back 40 years.
I'd already be wearing one now if I was convinced it was legal in MA. Who wants to be the next Drren Wilson? Not me.
What I will say is that with body cameras, don't expect to ever get a break ever again. The days of two guys brawling outside a bar and the cop breaking it up, telling them to beat feet will be long over when it's all on tape and the PD admin threatens to discipline the officer for inaction.
Let's just remember that police departments use technology that is meant to bring accountability and instead use it to harass and **** with officers the brass and administration doesn't like for one reason or another. Body cams will be no different.M
This. I don't want cameras. I want accountability.
I'd already be wearing one now if I was convinced it was legal in MA. Who wants to be the next Drren Wilson? Not me.
What I will say is that with body cameras, don't expect to ever get a break ever again. The days of two guys brawling outside a bar and the cop breaking it up, telling them to beat feet will be long over when it's all on tape and the PD admin threatens to discipline the officer for inaction.
Wish i could think of the Maryland Trooper's name to give proper credit, but he was one of the first to be issued a dash cam and used it in court to show the guilty in all their prime time glory
Why not body cameras for all public servants and maybe even private businesses that have the potential to commit crimes or anyone that can do ME wrong????????????? (I know alot of places of business are monitored by video but not necessarily audio and they don't "need" to retain it for years.)
What would peoples opinions be if all LTC holders had to wear body cameras while they carried, even if they never used their weapon??? (I know the answer here, I'm quite aware of 2A but I bet you wouldn't like it.... I want to see the tape when swore at that guy that cut you off and you showed aggression)
Should your personal vehicle have a camera rolling while your wheels do as driving is a privilege and when you are licensed to drive you agree to rules put forth by the state?
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OK, just for discussion (argument/flogging, etc) sake...... Police officers are required to undergo background checks, drug tests, keep current in a batch of things to include firearms training/criminal law/politically mandated training/etc. Now as public servants, the public whom that person has sworn to serve, can request maybe even require that they wear body cameras. OK.
Now I've been short changed by the fast food cashier, may not have faith in members of public office (who seem to always be in the press and guilty of some white collar crime), oh and the auto mechanic that might have not quite done my brakes/engine right and endangered my families lives, oh members of the media who have blatantly lied and provided inflammatory false info effecting public opinion and potential safety, oh and what subtle one sided political messages are being provided to my school aged child dependent on teachers opinion.......... Now I can't even trust a comedian for gods sake!!!!
Why not body cameras for all public servants and maybe even private businesses that have the potential to commit crimes or anyone that can do ME wrong????????????? (I know alot of places of business are monitored by video but not necessarily audio and they don't "need" to retain it for years.)
What would peoples opinions be if all LTC holders had to wear body cameras while they carried, even if they never used their weapon??? (I know the answer here, I'm quite aware of 2A but I bet you wouldn't like it.... I want to see the tape when swore at that guy that cut you off and you showed aggression)
Should your personal vehicle have a camera rolling while your wheels do as driving is a privilege and when you are licensed to drive you agree to rules put forth by the state?
I also know that criminals don't have to wear cameras, get driver's licenses, apply for and wait for a LTC, hmmmmmmm.
Is it going to become the norm to doubt EVERYONE that may hold some element of power over you (be it not spitting in your bagel or having a parking ticket book or a loan officer) and have them have to prove being just/moral/ethical before you allow them to provide you with a service?
And because I have to mention it in this epic post ................Last I checked the reason police began an encounter with all the "victims" in these current incidents was due to their recent criminal activity, some (gasp!!!) even reported by an average citizen (referred to as a call for SERVICE) !
Public officials are employees of the public. Employees of private businesses are privately funded. I don't understand how you got from point A to point B in that argument.
- police officers are public servants while the sandwich guy at dunking donuts is not.
I can choose to not interact with him but many officers are under the impression that all their questions have to be answered before you walk away.
-the comparison between requirements to be a cop and the requirements criminals have is weak. A criminal is in a outlawed state of being and is a criminal due to a poor choice of actions and is not an occupation. Police officer is an occupation thus credentials are needed to attempt to ensure that he or she is capable of their job. Those credentials are not foolproof nor will they ever be because humans are not infallible and no form of linear tests can ensure good physical, mental, moral performance. I.e. Many licensed drivers are at fault for needless accidents. Many l.t.c. holders have and will continue to use their lawfully owned guns for crime.
- your comparison between independent businesses and government officials is not great either. If my employer wants to video and audio record me, then so be it. I can weigh out the benefits and leave him if I want. I don't think the government should mandate that as it is a private business whose interests are from those who either own the business or purchase services there. Don't like that we don't audio record? Go purchase your goods elsewhere.
Government employees however are employed by THE PEOPLE. We the people cannot personally opt out of paying taxes or services our first responders provide (as far as I know). We cannot choose not to drive on roads belonging to the state or federal government. We also can't keep driving when we see blue lights behind us.
- cops and ltc holders are not parallel. They can be one or both. Carrying a gun is your right which shall not be infringed. Being a paid cop is a privilege subject to the department which is subject to the government elected by We the people.
- on your last point. Yes I agree that these "victims" we're engaging in criminal activity and it is my personal opinion that given the facts, some of these homicides were justified. This does not change the fact that use of lethal force should be assessed in real time and not predetermined by the report of what the suspect did/ who they are.
I don't necessarily agree but I have no knowledge of your personal interactions and this may be true for you.
I have no problem with no audio or not videoing everything. What if it was mandated in the profession that you chose and were trained in? Yes, you would still have the option of leaving that profession. Do tax breaks and contracts enable the government to require things in the civilian sector? I believe they highly influence them such as drug screening. Wasn't looking to compare, more point out that there is questionable crossover between private and gov't sectors.
Gov't employees are employed by the gov't which ideally is created, regulated and maintained by the people. I don't think that criminals would personally hire or sign LEO's paychecks. Driving?.....you CAN choose not to drive. Taxes, yeah no escape.
I agree, lethal force is an event that should always be reviewed, however a factor that must be considered (and not necessarily captured by a single camera angle) is what the mindset of the person is. That mindset is dependent on their previous interactions with the po-pos and events such as if they know they just committed a felonious crime and being caught will be life changing. I have to believe that that subject is going to choose between giving up and admitting his guilt (probably not), hoping the cop doesn't know/discover or doing what they have to in order to escape, to include killing a cop. That seems like a large piece of evidence that should be available to the Grand Jury to ponder.
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OK, just for discussion (argument/flogging, etc) sake...... Police officers are required to undergo background checks, drug tests, keep current in a batch of things to include firearms training/criminal law/politically mandated training/etc. Now as public servants, the public whom that person has sworn to serve, can request maybe even require that they wear body cameras. OK.
Now I've been short changed by the fast food cashier, may not have faith in members of public office (who seem to always be in the press and guilty of some white collar crime), oh and the auto mechanic that might have not quite done my brakes/engine right and endangered my families lives, oh members of the media who have blatantly lied and provided inflammatory false info effecting public opinion and potential safety, oh and what subtle one sided political messages are being provided to my school aged child dependent on teachers opinion.......... Now I can't even trust a comedian for gods sake!!!!
Why not body cameras for all public servants and maybe even private businesses that have the potential to commit crimes or anyone that can do ME wrong????????????? (I know alot of places of business are monitored by video but not necessarily audio and they don't "need" to retain it for years.)
What would peoples opinions be if all LTC holders had to wear body cameras while they carried, even if they never used their weapon??? (I know the ... Blah blah blah
I dont see what the color of his skin has to do with anything. It feels like this country has gone back 40 years.
I was just saying to my friend that this country is more divided than it's been in a long, long time.
Wonder why....?
People want racism to go away, yet they continue to perpetuate it.
Obama divided the country for to get his agenda through and to get reelected. His strategy was to get big numbers in all minority groups and single women. He did this with wedge issues, racial ones, the whole war on women garbage, etc.
And he's still at it with his racist AG Eric Holder and invites to the white house for Al Sharpton and other racial hustlers.
Any murder by a person of another race is rare, murder is almost always intra racial. White almost always kill whites, black almost always kill blacks, etc.
I dont see what the color of his skin has to do with anything. It feels like this country has gone back 40 years.
We tried cams (not even body cams) at a training facility for some unnamed PDs. The unions shot it down.
Body cams will be difficult with the 2-party law. For as long as someone doesn't give consent, video without audio in a situation that warrants the review of body cam footage would be difficult at least.
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OK, just for discussion (argument/flogging, etc) sake...... Police officers are required to undergo background checks, drug tests, keep current in a batch of things to include firearms training/criminal law/politically mandated training/etc. Now as public servants, the public whom that person has sworn to serve, can request maybe even require that they wear body cameras. OK.
Now I've been short changed by the fast food cashier, may not have faith in members of public office (who seem to always be in the press and guilty of some white collar crime), oh and the auto mechanic that might have not quite done my brakes/engine right and endangered my families lives, oh members of the media who have blatantly lied and provided inflammatory false info effecting public opinion and potential safety, oh and what subtle one sided political messages are being provided to my school aged child dependent on teachers opinion.......... Now I can't even trust a comedian for gods sake!!!!
Why not body cameras for all public servants and maybe even private businesses that have the potential to commit crimes or anyone that can do ME wrong????????????? (I know alot of places of business are monitored by video but not necessarily audio and they don't "need" to retain it for years.)
What would peoples opinions be if all LTC holders had to wear body cameras while they carried, even if they never used their weapon??? (I know the answer here, I'm quite aware of 2A but I bet you wouldn't like it.... I want to see the tape when swore at that guy that cut you off and you showed aggression)
Should your personal vehicle have a camera rolling while your wheels do as driving is a privilege and when you are licensed to drive you agree to rules put forth by the state?
I also know that criminals don't have to wear cameras, get driver's licenses, apply for and wait for a LTC, hmmmmmmm.
Is it going to become the norm to doubt EVERYONE that may hold some element of power over you (be it not spitting in your bagel or having a parking ticket book or a loan officer) and have them have to prove being just/moral/ethical before you allow them to provide you with a service?
And because I have to mention it in this epic post ................Last I checked the reason police began an encounter with all the "victims" in these current incidents was due to their recent criminal activity, some (gasp!!!) even reported by an average citizen (referred to as a call for SERVICE) !
I would be curious to see how many white people are killed by police every year.
I dont see what the color of his skin has to do with anything. It feels like this country has gone back 40 years.
I dont see what the color of his skin has to do with anything. It feels like this country has gone back 40 years.
I don't know about killed, but this white boy has seen white cops beat down peaceful white people for no ****ing reason, because the cops showed up at the wrong house. And then cover it up, praise themselves, and threaten the victim's family if they pressed the issue.
Honest people know it's not just a black thing and it happens all the time.
The race hustlers (like Sharpton and Jackson) want it to be about race. That is how they make their millions.