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SCOAMFs gonna SCOAMF.Senator Obama pushed to destroy massive arms, ammo caches in Ukraine
Massive caches of ammunition and shoulder-fired missiles got the axe over freshman Senator Obama's terrorism fears, but could have helped the Ukrainian military today.www.dailymail.co.uk
Didn't we ban the import of Russian guns and ammo?Imported Surplus shotguns in 2-3 years?
Depends - there's the bottom of the barrel (inside) where the sludge has collected. If you tip it over, outside of the bottom has all the slugs, worms, and slimy-slitherers.When you've reached the bottom, anything is a gain.
Ukraine has plenty of Soviet Era AK's, produces AR15's, AR10's, licensed Tavor copies, and possibly AK's(not sure about those). Why stupid shotguns?
yep. We care more for cheap ammo than freedom of others.Didn't we ban the import of Russian guns and ammo?
Let's be honest: Unless NATO(aka "USA and others") floods Ukrain with troops, Ukrain will be overrun. Wanna know why? HISTORY! That's right! Ukrainians don't fight uphill battles!Ukraine has plenty of Soviet Era AK's, produces AR15's, AR10's, licensed Tavor copies, and possibly AK's(not sure about those). Why stupid shotguns?
I understand all that but guard duty is totally doable with a rifle and breachers/less than lethal are mostly police/occupation force applications. I strongly doubt Ukrainian military is preparing to bust doors and quell protests in Moscow. On a serious note, Ukraine is full of shotguns of different makes and models, the infamous Berkut police unit was armed with shotguns when shooting protesters in Kyiv in 2014. I'm just curious why valuable space onboard that plane was used to transport these useless, from my point of view, things, that's all.Guard duty/rear echelon/door breachers/less than lethal/that's what Uncle Sugar has in stock.
I understand all that but guard duty is totally doable with a rifle and breachers/less than lethal are mostly police/occupation force applications. I strongly doubt Ukrainian military is preparing to bust doors and quell protests in Moscow. On a serious note, Ukraine is full of shotguns of different makes and models, the infamous Berkut police unit was armed with shotguns when shooting protesters in Kyiv in 2014. I'm just curious why valuable space onboard that plane was used to transport these useless, from my point of view, things, that's all.
Effective weapon to arm draftees and volunteers off the street with that they already know how to use, to keep boots on the ground, and possibly support guerilla efforts. Also good for guard duty, security, issue to police so they can have a long gun, etc.Ukraine has plenty of Soviet Era AK's, produces AR15's, AR10's, licensed Tavor copies, and possibly AK's(not sure about those). Why stupid shotguns?
I would prefer scoped, small caliber, high velocity hunting rifles. Can't go wrong with a simple bolt action. 222, .223, .22-250 or .220 Swift. Low recoil, high velocity, flat shooting. Ammo might be an issue. Not sure what the fave calibers are over there. My only center fire rifle is a Savage bolt action. 223. It wears a 3x-9x Leupold scope. I am by no means an expert, but can easily hit man sized targets in the chest at 400 yards, which is the practical limit for this cartridge in terms of wound ballistics. I am sure a Ukrainian man or woman with the same skill as me could achieve similar results. Save the scatterguns for close combat.Idk about you but a volley of 00 Buck from 150 yards from a few hundred troops would be enough to make me keep my head down, buckshot still penetrates about 10" of ballistic gel at that range.
Bunch of pump shotguns wouldn't be the worst choice to arm the masses for urban/guerilla tactics.
Yea I don't think the US gov't has crates full of Savage axis rifles in 22-250 or 220 swift to hand out lol Mossberg 500's that are collecting dust were probably their only logical choice.I would prefer scoped, small caliber, high velocity hunting rifles. Can't go wrong with a simple bolt action. 222, .223, .22-250 or .220 Swift. Low recoil, high velocity, flat shooting. Ammo might be an issue. Not sure what the fave calibers are over there. My only center fire rifle is a Savage bolt action. 223. It wears a 3x-9x Leupold scope. I am by no means an expert, but can easily hit man sized targets in the chest at 400 yards, which is the practical limit for this cartridge in terms of wound ballistics. I am sure a Ukrainian man or woman with the same skill as me could achieve similar results. Save the scatterguns for close combat.
There's not going to be any resistance in the parts of Ukraine that Russia is eye balling.possibly support guerilla efforts.
Mossberg 500’s are military issue. I’ve only seen them in MP units though. I was infantry and we didn’t train on them in AIT or basic. Never saw one in the arms room either.What are shotties gonna do when the Russians are picking you off with dragunovs well out of range?
For jungle warfare, shotguns make sense. They used to make a shotgun type round for those blooper grenade launchers Americans carried in Vietnam.British troops used shotguns during the Malayan Emergency back in the 1950s and the Rhodesian military used them during the long conflict in that country. I believe some type of hybrid buck-and-ball "jungle load" was the preferred ammunition for both the British and Rhodesian forces.
maybe if someone told him it was a microphone.................He should put the muzzle in his mouth.