True LE Story on Shooting & Lessons Learned

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The following story came from a friend in another part of the Country. He gave me permission to post it here, PROVIDED THAT I DID NOT ID HIM OR LINK TO ANYWHERE ELSE WHERE IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN POSTED. [Therefore, as a Mod, if anyone replies with any reference to the Officer involved or other links to the event, they will be deleted without warning. It is Very risky for an officer to post info on a shooting, as it could come back to haunt them in a lawsuit or other legal action.]

Let's learn from what is posted here and leave it at that.

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I was working an overtime detail aimed at suppressing crime committed by illegal aliens and was parked, speaking with another K9 handler/friend. He was dispatched to the call, which was a suspicious person inside an apartment complex. Dispatch advised the suspicious person had a felony warrant out for his arrest. Since we were in the middle of a conversation I decided to tag along so we could continue later (these calls usually end up as “gone on arrival”).

During the short ¾ mile drive we received updates from dispatch, advising that the subject had a gun in his waistband, along with a knife. This was beginning to become a strange call, most folks who call in suspicious persons would have no idea if someone was carrying in the waistband. This set off the “it’s either bullshit or this is weird” alert street patrol officers have. The apartment complex is essentially a large square series of apartments, with a square center courtyard. Two officers arrived and entered the complex from the northwest entrance. Upon my arrival I teamed up with a 20 year vet and we entered via the southeast entrance, and my other buddy I was talking to teamed up with a Sergeant and entered the northeast entrance.

Since my little weird alert went off I retrieved my 11.5 inch SBR from the trunk and made it hot (AimPoint on, chambered round, stock extended to pos 3, light check and slung). Shortly after entering we observed the interior courtyard and asked for a description of the person. I could not see the other officers, nor did I know at this time where they were at, or where they entered. I saw a male walking on the upper level (two story apartment complex) northbound. He matched the description and had a zombie-like walk. Slow, deliberate and staring ahead. He was about 75 yards away and had a tactical advantage. We were behind cover and as far as I know, had not yet been detected. I broadcast that I believe I see the person in question and put out his heading. He continued to walk along the upper sidewalk and went out of view, behind the canopy of a large ficus tree. I of the 20 year vet instantly went into a jog, using the canopy as concealment. (Note to self, secure car keys in pocket during future events).

We arrived at the lower staircase we thought he would be using and discovered he was on the way down already. Based upon the nature of the call he was instantly covered with lethal force, I brought my SBR up and put the switch to fire... I heard another Officer, Officer S giving the suspect commands to raise his hands. He gave no less than two commands, and I heard the 20 year vet give a loud command to do the same. I was behind the suspect and was unable to see his hands. I heard gunfire and saw muzzle flash come from both Officer S and the suspect. I placed the red dot square on the suspects back and fired off what I estimated to be three or four rounds. I saw the suspect fall and heard Officer S yell out that he has been hit, then yell into his radio 998! OFFICER DOWN. The suspect fell slowly onto his left side, still holding the gun. I centered the dot onto his head, advanced and yelled “drop the gun” several times. As I was squeezing the trigger I saw the gun fall from the suspect’s hands onto the grass. His eyes were open, and he was gasping. I covered the weapon and kept him covered. You can imagine the chaos at this point with Officer S being shot only feet away and the suspect being directly in front of me. I was torn, Officer S had several other officers attending to him and someone needed to make sure the gun stayed where it was at. The suspect was down, and calls for rescue units went out immediately. I can remember feeling “odd” at this point, and attribute it to shock. My buddy the K9 handler handcuffed the suspect as I covered him and the gun. For some reason my crime scene training took over and that goddamn gun was not going anywhere. I watched as the suspect was handcuffed. He continued to gasp and I told him a couple of times to “keep breathing dude”. I could hear Officer S scream out in pain occasionally and felt a bit numb.

During the shooting the suspect was halfway down the stairs, and was on an elevated concrete pad, about waist high to someone standing at ground level. I looked over the scene as medical personnel were attending to the bad guy and saw three bullet impacts at the base of the concrete platform the suspect had been standing on. I immediately became aware that I very well may have shot Officer S. I never saw him, but had heard him giving the suspect commands, and could see now that he was at the bottom of the stairs. I quickly judged the angle my rounds went at and became very convinced I just shot my friend. I was confused at how I could have hit the concrete platform; the suspect was only 10-15 yards away. Nonetheless, I could tell the rounds were mine (I was the only rifle on scene). My heart sunk as I learned that Officer S was hit in both legs and had a bone sticking out of his leg where he was hit.

I remember seeing the tenants of the apartment complex checking things out. I vividly remember some welfare mom watching the goings on with here 8 year old looking child staring directly at the now naked suspect, who was in the process of being pumped. I yelled up at her to take the kid inside and that he did not need to see this.

He was quickly whisked off to the ER. I had to unhandcuff the suspect and slung my rifle behind me. He had since stopped gasping and his eyes were open, but still. Medics said they could no treat him handcuffed, so off they came. When I turned him his shirt was wet with blood and stuck to the concrete. He was still warm.

I was soon relieved of my gun watching post and immediately told my k9 buddy I think I may have hit Officer S. I pointed out the area where bullets had impacted the platform and explained they were in Officer S’s direction. The detective Sergeant who would handle the incident arrived rather quickly and got all of the shooters together (four of us) and told us the following: Get in your cars, go get something non-caffeinated to drink, call your family and tell them you are alright, and call your lawyer if you think you will need one. Meet me at the station in one hour from now. Do NOT give your guns to anyone, I will ask for them later at the station when we have replacements available to give you.

I took my rifle, pulled the mag and extracted the round. Closed the bolt and reinserted the mag, then put the rifle in my trunk. My personal life at the time was shitty at best; I was split from my wife but called her anyway. ……I told her that the media may call and asked her not to say anything. Se wanted to go to the police station but I insisted that she not. I drove to my favorite convenience store and got a Gatorade. To my surprise the clerk knew nothing of the shooting (duh) and I left, headed to the station.

I walked upstairs to the detective area and waited. I remembered that I have a legal plan attached to my “union” dues and called the rep. I told them we had four officers involved in a shooting and we would likely need a lawyer. Three of the four officers were members of the plan, so a lawyer was sent. I was pretty convinced I had hit Officer S and upon hearing my story the lawyer agreed he needed to represent me alone and the other two covered officers would get another lawyer. It took some time but we were all covered prior to having give statements. It was a rather long wait…….

The internal affairs Sgt. arrived and took us all to his office. He read the Garrity warning and said he would be taking a sample of each officer’s blood. One of our phlebotomists was called out and stuck us... We were then escorted back to the detective’s area to wait….. The detective Sgt. called a person in for each officer involved, kind of someone to watch each person. In my case a good friend from the Border Patrol was called and arrived pretty quickly. We were then called in one by one to give the statements, with lawyers present. I told my version of events and was clear that I wanted to know ASAP if I had hit Officer S. The detective Sgt. agreed to do what he could. Our guns were seized after the firearms Sgt. arrived with replacements. I learned the suspect was dead…..We were released to go as the sun was rising.

No sleep……………………………………… My phone rang early in the morning. It was a fellow officer, not someone who I regularly talked to, but he wanted to say he was concerned about us and wanted to know if there was anything he could do. My phone rang 30 times that morning; most were similar to the above. Officers I had not seen or spoke to for months were calling, offering support. I was drained but grateful of the gesture so many made. I received periodic updates on Officer S’s status. He had been shot twice, once in each leg. Both legs were shattered and Dr.;s were estimating it would be a year until he would walk.

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I was mainly concerned I shot Officer S. It became a fixture in my thoughts, although I did not tell any of the persons calling about it. The thought that I f***ed up and hit my friend ruled the day. The detective Sgt. called around noon and asked that I conduct a walk thru of the scene. It was daylight out and he could get a better understanding by walking thru the scene with me. My lawyer went too.

It was very eerie. I felt as if all of the detectives were staring at me as I walked up to the apartments. The whole area was cordoned off with tape. Multiple detectives’ cars everywhere. News vans parked along the street. Family to the now dead suspect was on scene. It was bright, and I felt like I was under a microscope. I think I hid the sweat and nervousness well enough. I walked with the team from the start, as described above. Near the shooting scene there was a palm tree that I had no recollection of. It was directly in my path as I relived the incident, yet I could not remember seeing it. I told them I must have run left of the tree. I was asked to place myself where I thought I had been during the shooting. I was again asked about how many rounds I had fired. I repeated that I was not sure, but guessed it was 3-4. I could now see where Officer S. had been standing, and it was almost directly behind the suspect. I asked the Sgt. to tell me how many casings he had picked up from my rifle. He pointed to where they had been found and told me “we found eight casings from your rifle”. I was shocked. Floored. This further convinced me I was responsible for Officer S’s wounds.

I was allowed to see the scene where Officer S fell. I could see where one of his rounds impacted the ceiling as he fell backwards. I saw a couple of impacts from the other two officers rounds in the stairway railing. I saw a lot of dried blood. Medical implements were scattered everywhere. I almost felt ill.

I don’t remember what I did the rest of the day. I do remember calling mom that night. I heard the sadness in her voice the instant I told her. Her reply and the silence afterward “Oh son…..” is stuck in my memory forever. She died just three months later, almost to the day. It would have been nice not ever having to tell her such a terrible story……I could not muster the courage to go see Officer S yet. His uncle was a LEO here and had been shot and killed in this very same city 10 years earlier. I relieved periodic updates on his condition from friends, and learned he had gone thru multiple surgeries already. I think I rationalized that he would be doped up and would not be able to talk, so I will visit him later….. Lots of people called, my phone bill for the month was crazy high. I was contacted by the Critical incident stress folks and ordered to do a debriefing. A member of the team also told me Officer S. wanted to see me ASAP. I went to the debriefing first. It was very emotional. I cried again, especially when the 20 year vet, whom the entire dept. looks up to, told the entire group that he wanted to thank ME for bringing out the “artillery” that night.

The dispatchers that handled the call were in the meeting, I would learn why later when I heard the taped radio broadcasts from the incident. I can’t listen to Officer S. yelling out OFFICER DOWN, 998 without tearing up. It must really suck to be stuck in a room and have to listen to that, helpless.

I then went to see Officer S. I started to crumble going up the stairs. I saw his mom first, whose brother was shot and killed 10 years earlier. She smiled and asked everyone to leave the room so Officer S and I could speak. Officer S. was messed up, his legs covered in huge bandages. We both cried and I mumbled out that I was sorry I had shot him. He told me “no big deal man, that dude had a gun”. He told me he did not think I had hit him, but if I did, he had already forgiven me. I stayed for a while, embarrassed about all the balling I had done.

It was a long couple of weeks. I learned that suspect was shooting a 32 ACP. I learned the Dr’s treating Officer S. described his leg wounds as being “low velocity, high impact”. X-rays would reveal the bullet in his right thigh looked very muck like a 32 ACP round. The left leg was shattered, along with the bullet. Only fragments remain, and the entrance hole was destroyed by the tearing of the skin. The Detective Sgt. is finally told me he could account for all of my rounds, and none went into Officer S. Turns out 3 of my 8 hit the suspect.

Two weeks later I get a copy of a letter from the District Attorney to my Chief declining to prosecute, declaring our actions fully justified. I was off the entire two weeks, but had to check in every day. They call it administrative leave; basically you are on call all day. I had to see a couple of “mental health experts” during this time, which was all good.

Officer S. has since retuned to duty. He can’t run as fast as he would like, but is otherwise pretty damn capable. He has two titanium rods in his legs, and a number of screws. Not much of a limp either…

Lessons learned:

Despite having the draw on a guy, he can (and will) draw a cheap ass 32 and fire at you before you can pull the trigger. In this instance, he hit Officer S twice. Officer S hit him twice. Bad guy got off 7 rounds total.

Watch for the crossfire! Autopsy revealed I was nearly hit with a “flying ashtray”. Only saving grace that day was the suspect was elevated a few feet.

.45 ACP gold dots are very good

55 grain soft points are also pretty good, especially when striking pelvic bone.

32 ACP Fiji’s will f*** you up real bad.

It is easy to hit a paper silhouette at 10 yards, not so easy when it’s shooing back.

It is easy to teach someone to squeeeeezee the trigger off, but hard to accomplish when lead is flying.

Height over bore/CQB tactics should be taught with “regular stuff”.

Things like this scare the living shit out of you, subconsciously. You might be angry, but your brain has just sharted on itself…….
 
Wow. I'm glad things worked out for your friend and the rest of the officers. That must have a been a horrible time. I was feeling sick for him as well when reading it.
 
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You know, it's not the guys who go through this and come out a bit messed up and looking at life in a whole new light that really concerns me. It's the guys who don't. There is nothing, but nothing wrong with being human.

As for the shooting, you can train and train and train, but when it happens, it's the animal that acts, and that animal is not someone you would ever recognise.

We hear all the time about what round is effective and what round isn't. Any projectile can kill if it hits the right spot. Incomming, regardless of the type is not to be taken lightly.

I'm glad for two things. First, it wasn't me there, and second, that good human beings of their caliber were and did the job that was asked.

Maybe that is what is needed.. Send all those stuffed shirts who write and prosecute the laws into these situations with a sidearm, a radio, and a badge and see what kind of laws are written and prosecuted as a result.
 
Chris said:
Maybe that is what is needed.. Send all those stuffed shirts who write and prosecute the laws into these situations with a sidearm, a radio, and a badge and see what kind of laws are written and prosecuted as a result.

Well said. Or maybe send them in unarmed.. or only armed with Tasers.
 
Double wow.

Chris said:
Send all those stuffed shirts who write and prosecute the laws into these situations with a sidearm, a radio, and a badge and see what kind of laws are written and prosecuted as a result.
+1
 
dwarven1 said:
That poor bastard... going through two weeks of hell thinking that he shot his buddy. Wow.


No kidding, what a living hell.

I was relieved to read that he had not.
 
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