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Are you saying to your knowledge the knife and gun were not used for self defense and survival?
coastie you thought the article was interesting, and shade you thought it was alright.
What were your likes and dislikes with the article?
The Guide to U.S. Army Survival Skills
Published by, Fall River press 2009
Chapter 3-6... H2H and Knife Tactics .p.529 -- p. 655
Ranger Handbook,
SH 21-76 United States Army
Not for the weak
or fainthearted
RANGER TRAINING BRIGADE
UNITED STATES ARMY INFANTRY SCHOOL
FORT BENNING, GEORGIA
JULY 2006
Chapter 14-4
Close Quarter Combat.
SERE....Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape.
The U.S. Armed Forces have combatives as part of their Survival training. Many, on the other hand put gardening, farming, and all catchalls in that same category. REALLY?
That stuff should be under the heading “Homes and Gardens”. Wait it already is at Home Depot...
( No disrespect folks, I have a garden and love it.).
Bro you know what I think? I think many make survival MAINSTREAM, what you need to do is take a day trip down to Paris Island or Bragg and tell the DI's you think gardening should be in their survival training,.
Now…Likes and dislikes of the article please..
And you know what it is less likely to get cluttered up with extraneous stuff in that forum, there have been some great articles posted over thereYour article was interesting in that it is something I am not familiar with outside of the basics I was taught. It seemed rather verbose though and not really in laymans terms.
SERE training is a whole different animal. We arent dealing with having to escape from enemy soldiers and withstand interrogation. We will most likely deal with being lost in the woods. If you are preparing for your global nuclear meltdown, econ doomsday great. It is going to take a lot more than a 10 yo 2 page article to prep for that.
I can site a number of actual survival situations where H2H wouldnt matter at all. The rugby team in alive for one. The folks who spent a couple of weeks trapped in their car in the mountains. The people in adrift. The Endurance expedition. The Donner Party. Etc etc etc.
There is a training techniques forum. Why not use it.
coastie wrote: “Your article was interesting in that it is something I am not familiar with outside of the basics I was taught.”
That’s the problem folks think because they have a little basic training they know. Training methods evolve, that’s why I was brought to Q-town to get the instructors up to speed with new concepts.
“SERE training is a whole different animal. We arent dealing with having to escape from enemy soldiers and withstand interrogation.”
You couldn’t be fUrther from the truth. Home invasion, carjacking, hostage control are more frequent then you know or that the media lets out. Don’t for one minute think that gangs like MS-13, Crips, bloods, you know the rest don’t consider themselves as street soldiers. People say it would never happen to me, or this is a nice neighborhood…Wrong!!! The shit happens everywhere.
“There is a training techniques forum. Why not use it.”
First people need to know why they would even want to go to a techniques forum? This is a start.
Timber exactly. That’s why I’m here. I tell martial Artists, to prep and don’t think just because you can fight ever thing is fine, many don’t know how to make shelters, trap, hell some don’t even know how to load a gun…they will be f**ked. Diversify and explore ALL the issues.
I agree with you not depending on just H2H or knife for defense. It is said that 99% of all close quarter fights end up on the ground, and with environmental conditions, low lighting, unsettled terrain, weather and so on, I would have to kinda agree. Here is an article in Combat Handguns by Ed Lovette dealing with those issues.
About the Author: Ed Lovette is a retired Captain in the U.S Army Special Forces a 15 year retired CIA operative and now a Freelance writer.
http://combathandgunsp1.homestead.com/combathandgundp1.html
Article II
I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.
~
What Military Personnel Need to Know: Specifically, Service members should:
• Understand that when they are cut off, shot down, or otherwise isolated in enemy-controlled territory, they must make every effort to avoid capture. The courses of action available include concealment until recovered by friendly rescue forces, evasive travel to a friendly or neutral territory, and evasive travel to other prebriefed areas.
Explanation: Members of the Armed Forces may never surrender voluntarily. Even when isolated and no longer able to inflict casualties on the enemy or otherwise defend themselves, it is their duty to evade capture and rejoin the nearest friendly force.
Article III
If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and to aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.
Explanation: The misfortune of capture does not lessen the duty of a member of the Armed Forces to continue resisting enemy exploitation by all means available. Contrary to the Geneva Conventions, enemies whom U.S. forces have engaged since 1949 have regarded the POW compound as an extension of the battlefield. The POW must be prepared for this fact.
The enemy has used a variety of tactics to exploit POWs for propaganda purposes or to obtain military information in disregard of the Geneva Conventions. The CoC requires resistance to captor exploitation efforts. In the past, enemies of the United States have used physical and mental harassment, general mistreatment, torture, medical neglect, and political indoctrination against POWs.
Yeah... You know it sucks when you start throwing stuff around like SERE, and one of their instructors shows up.
You got SERvEd
Yes a knife and a gun has been used for self defense and survival so has keeping a friggen job been used as survival but there are not post about what job is the best to survive with, a baseball bat has been used in a self defense and survival situations and a stick probably has going back at least 6000 years maybe longer depending on what your religious views are but we do not discuss hickory or oak
There's nothing like a good piece of hickory.
Yep.
I was actually quoting Pale Rider.