Sure does, but it doesn't make a gun impossible to shoot well.
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Sure does, but it doesn't make a gun impossible to shoot well.
Cloverleaf Firearms Group
Instructor
I've shot stock NYPD guns when I've trained other instructors. I've shot all types of duty guns with triggers that range from amazing to shitty. At a fighting distance (which a majority of shootings occur), the trigger weight has absolutely no impact on combat accuracy if you know how to hold a gun properly.
I had an M&P9 and was going to do the apex kit, but I think the number of choices/options for what to install is kind of daunting. That was my first gun, so I had no idea what each piece was responsible for in the trigger pull. Even now a few years in, I can't confidently say what pieces of the apex kits I want/need and would love to not have to take off the sights.
I only used it for the frame. If you Google apex armorer block you can see the details and watch the install videos. We can work out a loan.
Yes but I wouldn't put the flat faced in a compact pistol unless you are weird and use it for target/competition. Then go for it.
Honestly I'm not a huge fan of the flat trigger I out in my CORE. Probably because I'm not quite used to it. It certainly has good potential with some more use on my part. I really dislike the trigger safety though. I think I might just glue it or tape it down.
yanici
NES Member
All you need is wooden block with a 1/2" hole drilled into it so the pins have a place to fall when you drive them out.
I had Mass Firearms do mine. They did it in 5 minutes tops, and it changed the gun. I mean COMPLETELY CHANGED THE GUN. it's a pleasure to shoot now. If you have an M&P just do the DCAEK. Just dive into it. love my M&P now.
Its not hard at all as long as you have the right sized pin punches and keep the sear springs separate so you dont have to call apex and ask which one is the one that came with the kit, because they are right next to each other in the trailer and I'm too dumb to remember which is which.
Any idea how many pounds the trigger pull is with the kit? I'm going to put in DCAEK on my shield and full size 40s and hoping this will get it down around 5.5# (in addition to addressing all the other trigger issues).
Just put a DCAEK in M&P9 after a couple thousand rounds. Just before the install was about 9.5# now it's @ 6.5#. It's nice.
9C was my first gun and had apex duty/carry kit installed right away before it left the gun shop after watching so many videos about the stock trigger.The gun is awesome but I wanted a slimmer version of it for carry comfort so I bought the shield a couple weeks ago. I didnt have the cash for the trigger install so I have been shooting it with the stock trigger. What a differance, the stock trigger pull sucks. It is way to heavy. It acually has a decent reset but I am having a tough time getting by that initial heavy pull and being acurate with the first round. After that riding trigger reset its great. Definately going to get the kit and have it installed. Got me to wondering though. Why is a mass trigger pull so heavy? It is the dumbest thing..wait no beyonet lug beats it hands down, but Why increase the trigger pull inherently making a gun less acurate/harder to shoot.
DCAEK put my 9c right at 5.5 pounds.
I have an M&P9 with a MA-compliant trigger. What about the possibility of acquiring and installing the 49-state S&W OEM parts? Has anyone gone that route? I don't need this to be a race gun with a 3lb trigger but I would like to improve the feel and weight and reduce the trigger pull to what's available on the "free state" version. (And preferably for less than the $75 for an Apex kit.)
What would be the parts that were needed, anyway? The trigger spring and trigger bar, right? Is the sear different?
What would be the parts that were needed, anyway? The trigger spring and trigger bar, right? Is the sear different?
I picked up a 2014 manufactured M&P9 with a MA Compliant trigger. Very heavy, with long, indistinct reset. I threw an APEX hard sear in and that lightened the trigger pull weight and made the reset shorter and better. I'd recommend it to anyone.
