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The Aftermath...

JayMcB

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De-escalate if you can. You should
Walk away if you can. You should
Last resort only, and I mean ONLY....
If you can't, name, not rank, not serial number and then tell them you wish to only answer questions with your attorney present.
No matter the who of the person assume (quite rightly) that you may be in shock from taking a human life, and seek medical attention.
 

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Here's an example - use the canned line off the USCCA card and you can expect to have both the card and the recording of what you said entered into evidence. If it gets to trial, you will be asked to explain your use of a carefully vetted line that you carried on a card in a wallet for long before you used it. "Isn't it true that you were not describing the situation, but using a pre-planned line you thought would cast you in a favorable light when you finally managed to find someone to shoot?"

Espouse how you would handle a situation on NES? Use terms like "Kill em all, let God sort em out", "Nobody who did that to my dog would live", etc. and you can expect one that is replete with unflattering innuendo to be used against you. It does not take an Inspector Clouseau caliber investigator to know that NES is "the place" to dig for this sort of stuff locally and have Derek served a subpoena, potentially with a gag order.

And Dog help you if you ever disrespected diversity online and are involved in an incident that crosses cultural, ethnic or religious lines.

The nice guy approach is covered in the interrogation handbook for the Reid/Inbau method, now more commonly just called the Reid method. If you are escorted to a room with no indication of the custodial situation; left to sit a while (being video/audio monitored while you are left to get worn down); placed in a chair that does not roll while the interrogator is in a rolling office chair; in a room labeled "interview" rather than "interrogation" you should feel like a steer being led down a narrow passage between two metal fences.

The words after "I wish to consult with legal counsel before being interviewed" should be "am I free to go?".
That was a brilliant tutorial, Rob, thanks for putting it in print.

Actual reality is different to imaginary reality. TV has a lot to answer for here.
 

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Question for you Rob, and anyone else that may offer some advice or insight. Has it ever been suggested in a court room, that by buying insurance like USCCA, the shooter was looking for an excuse to shoot someone?
The USCCA Membership Agreement contains the following limitation on their liability in the civil lawsuit portion of the service:

"...our obligation under this Protection Plan to pay “claim expenses” or “damages” ends:
(1) When we have used up the applicable Plan Benefit Limits in the payment of “damages” or “claim expenses” or
(2) With the member’s “conviction” of any criminal charge(s) caused by or arising out of:
i The member’s use of a firearm or other weapon related to the “occurrence” or
ii The “covered legal liability” for which benefits under this Protection Plan are being sought."
I would expect that this limitation of liability disproves the notion that this insurance in any way encourages or inspires reckless behavior.
 
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