Take your kid to the range = get suspended from school

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Haven’t read the entire thread, but seriously hope this kid and his mom get paid out. This crap has to stop. They were well within their rights and not a threat to anyone.

Also I agree that it should not be a problem to post perfectly legal activities online without fear of backlash... Sorry, but your feelings do not trump my rights.
 

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There is another route one could take, and believe me if I had kids and they did this to them it would become my life's goal to destroy these peoples lives by hook or by crook.
Same here.
In 12 years of school my kid only had an issue with one teacher who was a well know head case.
In short I explained to her that she really did not want to become my new hobby.
 

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In general I agree with keeping a low profile overall. In lieu of all the attacks on my freedom however, I am evolving. I will not be ashamed of my enjoyment of the shooting sports and my heritage, or feel the need to hide it. If posting a pic online of me missing the crap out of some stuff at the range, or talking guns with the guys on a break costs me in some manner, so be it.
 

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As much as a cowardice bootlicker as I am, and I can understand this may be the prudent thing to do, I have to agree with others that say this is total BS.
If we continue to give in like this, we will continue to lose the war, lose the hearts and minds.
I would LOVE to post pics of my daughter with an AR-15 all over instagram and Facebook, but really don't want to suffer the consequences.
I understand in the current climate it not the politically correct thing to do.
Unfortunately, we have to give in to peoples irrational fears of guns, and what might happen.
These are all legitimate pre-crimes now.
PC is one reason where in this mess.
Its high time we find a way to easily file law suites against this stuff.
We should have no worries of posting legal activities with our family/friends ect ect.
 

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Wow.

It's like an educational ERPO. IF this reporting is accurate, the school is lining itself up for an easy-peasy civil rights injunction, I'd think, or at the very least a lawsuit.
 

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Haven’t read the entire thread, but seriously hope this kid and his mom get paid out. This crap has to stop. They were well within their rights and not a threat to anyone.

Also I agree that it should not be a problem to post perfectly legal activities online without fear of backlash... Sorry, but your feelings do not trump my rights.
Nobody’s getting paid, but he’ll get reinstated and maybe get an apology.
 

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I took a buddy to the range recently with his two teenage grandsons.

Rules were provided:

- Follow all safety rules at all times or we stop and leave. No discussion.
- Do not take any pictures/videos of guns or activities
- Do not tell your friends. If word got around in school it could be construed as a threat.
- Yes, the rules suck but the world sucks worse these days.

They shot a variety of fun firearms. They were safe. They were actually appreciative that we entrusted them to act like adults.
Yeah nobody wants to be a sacrificial lamb in the cultural war with the leftists, and I can't blame them.
 

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Nobody’s getting paid, but he’ll get reinstated and maybe get an apology.
He should get paid. I'm not big on lawsuits as a rule, but the courts view a person's education as a "possession," meaning 4A applies and that the state can't arbitrarily remove your ability to get an education. That's the basis for the IDEA.

Courts do give administrators a lot of leeway in the interest of "school safety," but civil rights are civil rights. The bar is very high. In most MA schools, an indefinite suspension can't occur unless a student is charged (not merely arrested) on a felony rap.
 

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He should get paid. I'm not big on lawsuits as a rule, but the courts view a person's education as a "possession," meaning 4A applies and that the state can't arbitrarily remove your ability to get an education. That's the basis for the IDEA.

Courts do give administrators a lot of leeway in the interest of "school safety," but civil rights are civil rights. The bar is very high. In most MA schools, an indefinite suspension can't occur unless a student is charged (not merely arrested) on a felony rap.
He’s not getting paid although it would be nice if he did. What are the damages? Missing a week of his education “possession”? What’s the value of that? Good luck w the emotional distress argument. If he’s that emotionally distressed that he should get a big award they’ll argue that he probably shouldn’t have had access to guns in the first place. They’re not going to award punitive damages against the district for following their policies.
 

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My kid was out of the gun safe in 3rd grade.

when he was 10, he got his picture and a write-up in the MetroWest Daily News, for getting his Distinguished Expert in Trap.

He brought shooting trophies in, for "all about me" day.

In High School, the librarian asked him for info WRT interstate transfer of firearms. The teacher (standing behind him) said, "Why are you asking him that?" "Because he teaches it," said the librarian.

I don't know if it was because it was a normal to him as soccer is to the Brazilian kids, or Little league to the other Anglos, or because he was open about it for so long, or just the school system, but he had NO issues. Maybe 5 years makes a difference.
 

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He’s not getting paid although it would be nice if he did. What are the damages? Missing a week of his education “possession”? What’s the value of that? Good luck w the emotional distress argument. If he’s that emotionally distressed that he should get a big award they’ll argue that he probably shouldn’t have had access to guns in the first place. They’re not going to award punitive damages against the district for following their policies.
I’m not arguing. There’s no need for me to argue. I already told you I’m not into lawsuits, so I don’t know where you got “emotional distress” out of my post.

I do know the legal basis for court challenges to IDEA, with its equal treatment of SPED kids, was based on 4A, and that courts are traditionally very unhappy when the state arbitrarily bars a person from getting edjumacated.

I did say, I think, that a civil-rights injunction is the appropriate response here. Courts have done that before, many times. In MA, this kid could not be suspended indefinitely. Although whether to send work home is usually up to the school committee.
 

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He’s not getting paid although it would be nice if he did. What are the damages? Missing a week of his education “possession”? What’s the value of that? Good luck w the emotional distress argument. If he’s that emotionally distressed that he should get a big award they’ll argue that he probably shouldn’t have had access to guns in the first place. They’re not going to award punitive damages against the district for following their policies.
Sure. 'Cause the other school kids are so understanding, and kind. Their Mom's and Dad's are going to be just falling all over themselves to have the kid over for movie night as well. 20 years from now some HR weenie weeding through the job apps is going type in his name and what's going to pop up?
 

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My kid was out of the gun safe in 3rd grade.

when he was 10, he got his picture and a write-up in the MetroWest Daily News, for getting his Distinguished Expert in Trap.

He brought shooting trophies in, for "all about me" day.

In High School, the librarian asked him for info WRT interstate transfer of firearms. The teacher (standing behind him) said, "Why are you asking him that?" "Because he teaches it," said the librarian.

I don't know if it was because it was a normal to him as soccer is to the Brazilian kids, or Little league to the other Anglos, or because he was open about it for so long, or just the school system, but he had NO issues. Maybe 5 years makes a difference.
Life seems to be so different up here in NH. I've seen 4 to 6 newspaper articles about kids and shooting sports up here (newspaper is delivered to every household weekly). I'm meeting with a high school principal to discuss offering NRA's Refuse to Be A Victim to high schoolers (and anyone interested) in conjunction with the police department (NRA offers material for free if you do it with a PD and offer the seminar for free). I tried to offer it back in MA to my old PD (where I served with them for many years) and they refused because it is an NRA course.

I don't know if the NH chief and principal will agree to do this, but at least they have told me that they are open to discussing it with me.

ETA: I attended my new gun club's pig roast a week ago and learned that they sponsor a scout group (Troop 1911 - I love it!).
 
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When I was 13, there was the progenitor of Counter Strike : Global Offensive, a Half-Life mod called "counter strike". It was in beta. In it, you shot guns ranging from a Sig-556 to an AK-47 to a Binelli Super m3 to an Aug, all the way up to the Steyr Scout and Al Arctic Warfare Magnum in .338 Lapua Magnum. At other players, killing each other. Scenarios were counter terrorist vs terrorist, hostage rescues, plant a bomb and destroy something, escort a VIP, Talking between two friends, we were discussing the best guns in the game and their recoil patterns. Someone overheard, and a cop was at my door that night. Thankfully the officer knew exactly what I was talking about - his son played the same game.
 
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Yep jct - if you’re doing anything border-line or completely legal (as in this scenario), don’t post it online, especially when there’s so much sensitivity and attention on the topic.

I’m not a social media person to begin with, but if I was, I wouldn’t be posting pictures or videos of me reloading, shooting at a range, or hunting. Too many snowflakes would get butthurt because my hobbies are outside their proverbial box.
This is exactly why they are winning. If pictures of people shooting and enjoying firearms were more mainstream, then we wouldn't have all this anti-crap going on.
 

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Yes. And no. People don’t need to post their every thought online but they shouldn't be penalized for it legally when they’re not breaking any laws.
I completely agree, but why advertise you have guns in the house? Sorry, but I'm against posting everything you do online. The kid was proud of going shooting, I get that. I wouldn't have even thought of the school. I'd be more worried about people knowing I have guns in the house.
 

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My main concern here is... How the wedding cake flippiddy flap do we get our money back from the public school system if they deny us access because of our belifz?.
 
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I took a buddy to the range recently with his two teenage grandsons.

Rules were provided:

- Follow all safety rules at all times or we stop and leave. No discussion.
- Do not take any pictures/videos of guns or activities
- Do not tell your friends. If word got around in school it could be construed as a threat.
- Yes, the rules suck but the world sucks worse these days.

They shot a variety of fun firearms. They were safe. They were actually appreciative that we entrusted them to act like adults.
We have the same rules. Also, keep mouth shut at pediatrician's office and other medical offices. They can also cause trouble for law abiding gun owners. My older daughter found that out the hard way a couple of years ago.
 
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I'm pretty sure I dont want kids, but if my girlfriend came to me tomorrow and said "Cmon, just one, I'll let you sue the shit out of anybody you want" I'd go out of my way to make school districts lives living hell.

I could actually look forward to that part of parenthood.
 
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