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It's my understanding that soviet pattern rifles were designed to shoot steel case. All of the commie surp 54r I've ever bought was steel case.....or what is called "bimetal" which is steel with some type of "copper wash" coating. Most commercial 54r is pure steel case.....some have a lacquer coating.No steel or aluminum cased ammo(except for 7.62x39 and 7.62x54r).
what is the difference between steel cased in this caliber vs another?
I'm with you. I have heard of some commercial rental ranges that don't let patrons pick up brass......they keep it all.....so have restrictions on aluminum and steel to reduce sorting. Maybe that's what he's asking about.In what context? Where did you copy-paste that from?
Certain cartridges and guns work best with steel cases, like 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, 7.92x57, 5.45x39, and 9x18. In other guns, steel can cause issues.
That is from a local range. It says no steel case unless it is in that caliber. Steel case is not allowed at the range in other calibers for some reason. If it is bad for the range why is it allowed for that round.In what context? Where did you copy-paste that from?
Certain cartridges and guns work best with steel cases, like 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, 7.92x57, 5.45x39, and 9x18. In other guns, steel can cause issues.
I would guess it is because they don't want to sort the range scraps and has nothing to do with range safety. What range is it.That is from a local range. It says no steel case unless it is in that caliber. Steel case is not allowed at the range in other calibers for some reason. If it is bad for the range why is it allowed for that round.
Dracut on targetI would guess it is because they don't want to sort the range scraps and has nothing to do with range safety. What range is it.
I'd say it's because they don't like sorting out the steel and aluminum but realize that those two cartridges are most always steel case so allow it.Dracut on target
How does a steel CASE chew up steel plates or cause ricochet? The case is steel not necessarily the projo.Some outdoor private clubs don’t appreciate steel cases either. I was told It chews up the steel (cuz bi-metal) and has a higher chance of ricochet. My club has magnets here and there to check for bi-metal bullets. Not sure if true or not because I see steel cases every time I’m there.
How does a steel CASE chew up steel plates or cause ricochet? The case is steel not necessarily the projo.
Get it. However, not all steel case is automatically steel core projo. Tula and red army brands of commie cal are steel case but normal copper jacketed lead. Surplus 54r is mostly "mild steel core" and can cause issues though.My range is home to a group if very athletic individuals who are prone to throw spent cases at the berm. It’s troubling to see in person.
Obviously it’s the bi-metal bullets that are very, if not overwhelmingly common with steel cased ammo that their worried about. Not the cases themselves.
That is from a local range. It says no steel case unless it is in that caliber. Steel case is not allowed at the range in other calibers for some reason. If it is bad for the range why is it allowed for that round.
I'd say it's because they don't like sorting out the steel and aluminum but realize that those two cartridges are most always steel case so allow it.
The only steel case ammo I use is 54r and x39 in commie surplus rifles. Everything else I own gets brass.....cuz I reload it. I'd never go to a range where the rules are that you can't pick up your brass. It's MINE I paid for it.Right, rental/commercial indoor ranges usually sell the cases they pick up from the floors. In some guns, usually in the cartridges mentioned, there's no real reason to use brass cases. In others, like 5.56x45 or 7.62x51, brass is the norm.
The issue of brass versus steel in ARs is often debated, so I'll just say Google it.
There's only one gun I know of where one absolutely should not shoot steel, and that's FALs, but the real reason appears to be that Tulammo is very inconsistent. Most steel ammo is inconsistent, so many FAL shooters including myself simply don't shoot steel in our FALs.
During WW1, Imperial Germany experienced chronic brass shortages, so they developed steel 7.92x57 cases. The Soviets had similar problems in WW2. Brass is a strategic alloy, and in countries like Imperial Germany or the USSR, steel was already a much more in-supply, easier to make commodity. That's why steel cases are a thing.
The only steel case ammo I use is 54r and x39 in commie surplus rifles. Everything else I own gets brass.....cuz I reload it. I'd never go to a range where the rules are that you can't pick up your brass. It's MINE I paid for it.
BS. all that is one total BS and the only reason is a desire of a club to sell off the brass without any steel casings mixed in.Some outdoor private clubs don’t appreciate steel cases either. I was told It chews up the steel (cuz bi-metal) and has a higher chance of ricochet. My club has magnets here and there to check for bi-metal bullets. Not sure if true or not because I see steel cases every time I’m there.
I don't think they work best I just think it's common.In what context? Where did you copy-paste that from?
Certain cartridges and guns work best with steel cases, like 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, 7.92x57, 5.45x39, and 9x18. In other guns, steel can cause issues.
BS. all that is one total BS and the only reason is a desire of a club to sell off the brass without any steel casings mixed in.
shooting steel at winter at an open range is great, btw - you pick it up from snow/ice with a magnet, a melted in brass is much more PITA. MFS does not object steel.
Again, depends on the context. I have a 7.62x39 bolt gun that has a reputation for breaking extractors with steel cases. On the flip side, I prefer steel cases with AKs because AKs usually slightly dent brass cases.I don't think they work best I just think it's common.
And aks have stronger hammer springs that can rupture brass cases.Again, depends on the context. I have a 7.62x39 bolt gun that has a reputation for breaking extractors with steel cases. On the flip side, I prefer steel cases with AKs because AKs usually slightly dent brass cases.
Im going to say no on thatAnd aks have stronger hammer springs that can rupture brass cases.
Usually I don't run brass 7.62 because the price is crazy. But I see your point
Stronger hammer springs than an AR.Im going to say no on that
Im going to say no on that
Stronger hammer springs than an AR.
That's why one of the big upgrades for a 7.62 ar is a hammer spring to fire the harder steel primer.
I could be wrong about rupturing cases. I feel like that's an interwebs legend at least. But what do I know. I'm just sitting on my couch working an IT job.
Again.....the post is a about steel CASE ammo not steel or bimetal projectiles.I don't think they work best I just think it's common.
Mfs hangs shooting mats not a steel bullet trap though.
The reason they allegedly ban it inside is the sparks from the bi metal on steel bullet traps can cause an explosion with unburnt powder.
It did to who I responded to...Again.....the post is a about steel CASE ammo not steel or bimetal projectiles.
Your point a out steel projos does not apply here.
It's my understanding that soviet pattern rifles were designed to shoot steel case. All of the commie surp 54r I've ever bought was steel case.....or what is called "bimetal" which is steel with some type of "copper wash" coating. Most commercial 54r is pure steel case.....some have a lacquer coating.
And aks have stronger hammer springs that can rupture brass cases.
Usually I don't run brass 7.62 because the price is crazy. But I see your point
Eh , military primers are only marginally thicker and are a tad less sensativeStronger hammer springs than an AR.
That's why one of the big upgrades for a 7.62 ar is a hammer spring to fire the harder steel primer.
I could be wrong about rupturing cases. I feel like that's an interwebs legend at least. But what do I know. I'm just sitting on my couch working an IT job.
I had one,Eh , military primers are only marginally thicker and are a tad less sensative
AR platforms in 762x39 are haunted by Stoners ghost!
This is where I got it from.....this copy paste is from pew pew tactical article on steel vs brass. I've read this case elsewhere tooAnd just what "design" features were incorporated into Soviet pattern rifles that would accommodate steel cases any better than brass cases of the same dimensions?
The use of steel in cartridge cases is a matter of economics and availability. The U.S. even used steel cases during WWII when brass was running in short supply and what was available was diverted to artillery fuses instead of small arms.
How about the hunting ammo that literally cooks the animal when you shoot it?The reason they allegedly ban it inside is the sparks from the bi metal on steel bullet traps can cause an explosion with unburnt powder.