So, health care is done, how long before the Dems go after gun control again?

[Friday]

We've had a year of distraction over BO's self-obsessed mandate to reform health insurance, despite violent disagreement in congress, state government, and the public. (well, at least the ones who are saddled with paying for all of it)

Now what? how long before they try to reinstate an AWB or other draconian measures against gun ownership? In an way, health care was beneficial, as it sucked a years' time out of this administration. I can't imagine it will take any less time to ram through gun control, as the dems are much more gun-shy (pun intended), remembering the repercussions of the Clinton Debacle.

"Health control's" conclusion will leave a large vacuum to fill in the house. What do you think will get sucked in next?

 

[Yelena]

We have better oppurtunities to defend our guns than to defend our health.

 

[Larry Legend]

I'm guessing that it will be played off as a public safety thing and be tied into the Public Option somehow. IE: Guns are a threat to everyones health. If you are on the .gov's health plan then you can't own a gun. If you own a gun, you will be taxed on it because of your dangerous hobby.

 

[Dick]

They'll eventually get around to gun control, but I think first they have to work on legalizing illegal immigrants so they have some chance of getting re-elected in November.

 

[RFWAVELENGTH]

We've had a year of distraction over BO's self-obsessed mandate to reform health insurance, despite violent disagreement in congress, state government, and the public. (well, at least the ones who are saddled with paying for all of it)

Now what? how long before they try to reinstate an AWB or other draconian measures against gun ownership? In an way, health care was beneficial, as it sucked a years' time out of this administration. I can't imagine it will take any less time to ram through gun control, as the dems are much more gun-shy (pun intended), remembering the repercussions of the Clinton Debacle.

"Health control's" conclusion will leave a large vacuum to fill in the house. What do you think will get sucked in next?

My biggest fear is that Obama will try to ram through anti-gun legislation and tie it to the health-care "reform", using the twisted logic that privately-owned firearms are a huge public-safety threat. Besides, how many people have taken the opportunity to read that health-care bill cover-to-cover. From what I can understand, it is thousands of pages long.

 

[atilla]

they are dumb enough to try it i think, the healthcare fiasco severely emboldened them and they are going to do everything they can to run the republic into the ground to build their socialist utopia before we (hopefully) throw them all out into the street.

 

[scottmac019]

Yep....Illegals will be the next thing they cram down our throats..that is their voter base now that they screwed every Real American. Pass Health, that way once they give all illegals Amnesty, they are covered and Very Happy so they will vote all the scumbag Liberal douchebags in and keep getting their entitlements...God forbid they have to work for stuff. If I remember correctly I believe the reason we are here in America is because we wanted to get away from a Tyrannical government...hmmmmm

 

[Larry Legend]

they are dumb enough to try it i think, the healthcare fiasco severely emboldened them and they are going to do everything they can to run the republic into the ground to build their socialist utopia


This.


The health care legislation does nothing but affirm the beliefs of the liberals who patron it and voted for it. Soon they will sit back and realize (like everyone does after a big accomplishment) and say "Wow, we actually did it. What can reform/impose next? Imagine what else we can do!?"

It is this idea of "Imagine what else we can do" that makes me want to vomit.

 

[Lauria]

I'm guessing that it will be played off as a public safety thing and be tied into the Public Option somehow. IE: Guns are a threat to everyones health. If you are on the .gov's health plan then you can't own a gun. If you own a gun, you will be taxed on it because of your dangerous hobby.

What public option?

 

[Admin]

Dems road map to destruction of freedom...

1. Amnesty
2. Complete firearms ban

 

[seanc]

Fortunately or unfortunately.. Now that they have the full scale socialist agenda in motion I think that gun control will be pushed further down the agenda. I am sure there are vast areas of the country that need to be socialized/ communized before they make the firearms move. They will keep pushing the health care until that is fully and solely government owned, Then onto immigration, probably some sort of "green" initiative (ban all privately owned cars) or at least make them far too expensive for "little people"..

Until Obama can get a couple of Scotus judges on the bench, firearms aren't likely to be a front burner issue.

 

[Pete85]

I'm guessing it's going to be done extremely soon. They're going to lose control of congress because of the healthcare bill, they have nothing left to lose. They're going to try to push every piece of unconstitutional legislation through as fast as they can, because they know this is their last chance for a decade or so.

 

[Bill Katt]

Dems road map to destruction of freedom...

1. Amnesty
2. Complete firearms ban

This.

 

[Doc Holiday]

I know gun control is part of his agenda, but, with the elections looming in 6-7 months, they are going to go after things that they have a better than 50\50 shot at. With how politicaly violent the healthcare debate and passage was, I don't see huge legislation soley on gun control, but it may be tied up in smaller packages, for example, they will go after imigration, but installed in that bill will be, small little regulations and deals that may get over looked, for the bigger picture. That is why we must read every line of text in these bills. The sad truth is they can, and have done it in the past, and we never caught it because we were so enthrawled with arguing another point. We can't allow open ended legislation, like this healthcare travesty.


It was mentioned before by one of the Democrats, that this bill will be constantly changing, and that they have full intentions of changing it as it goes, and they may just need to "deem" it as passed, attached to a bill that had already passed. We need to keep our eyes open wide, look at the whole picture. What we must demand, if anyone wants a vote from us, that they will run in order to repeal this legislation, and also repeal the reconciliation clauses, and the "deemed" provision. Congress must work with in the frame work given by the Constitution only.

This legislation opened the eyes of many people, and those many people, used to be the voter who voted by the letter marked at the end of a name, and could be counted on everytime, those days are over, every politician will now be required to work for a vote, and their ass is truley on the line.

 

[M1911]

They won't go after guns this election cycle. They're already terrified of losing their majorities in both houses this fall. They know that passing gun control would cost them votes. If Obama wins re-election in 2012, then he might push for gun control.

 

[FiremanBob]

Victor Davis Hanson has an excellent analysis/forecast in today's essay, showing that this is only the beginning of Obamofascism. It's worth going here to read the whole article: We've Cross the Rubicon

President Obama has crossed the Rubicon with the health care vote. The bill was not really about medicine; after all, a moderately priced, relatively small federal program could offer the poorer not now insured, presently not on Medicare or state programs like Medicaid or Medical, a basic medical plan.

We have no interest in stopping trial lawyers from milking the system for billions. And we don’t want to address in any meaningful way the individual’s responsibility in some cases (drink, drugs, violence, dangerous sex, bad diet, sloth, etc.) for costly and chronic health procedures.

No, instead, the bill was about assuming a massive portion of the private sector, hiring tens of thousands of loyal, compliant new employees, staffing new departments with new technocrats, and feeling wonderful that we “are leveling the playing field” and have achieved another Civil Rights landmark law. (NB: do the math: add higher state income taxes in most states; the new Clinton-era federal income tax rates to come; the proposed lifting of limits on income exposed to FICA taxes; and now new health care charges — and I think you can reach in some cases a bite of 65%to 70% of one’s income.)

So we are in revolutionary times in which the government will grow to assume everything from energy use to student loans, while abroad we are a revolutionary sort of power, eager to mend fences with Syria and Iran, more eager still to distance ourselves from old Western allies like Israel and Britain.

There won’t be any more soaring rhetoric from Obama about purple-state America, “reaching across the aisle,” or healing our wounds. That was so 2008. Instead, we are in the most partisan age since Vietnam, ushered into it by the self-acclaimed “non-partisan.” But how could it be anything else?

 

[drgrant]

Considering that they've now just burned up 110% of their political capital? A very long time. One of the silver linings of this cloud of s**t that is the healthcare debacle, is that it's going to hose them politically. Gun control is starting to reach the dreaded "A word" in terms of popularity among legislators. It's a wedge issue that causes them nothing but problems and gains them nothing politically in terms of votes. (by and large, if you took a survey of issues, for most voters, gun control is trying to stay within the top 10... and a lot of times, it never even gets mentioned anymore. It's a curse that the pols would like to just not deal with. ) There are probably a few dozen hard core antis in the house and the senate, but their agenda at this point is not going to make it very far. Even queen bug-eyes pelosi has intentionally shied away from pushing gun control for fear of the damage it would cause to the rest of their agenda.

The biggest gun control threat we face right now from the Federal government comes from the executive.... EG, things Obama can get away with doing without having to pass a law to do it.

Even with that Obama still is going to be "cautious". There are signs, too, that he's mostly stepped away. He just about s**t
his pants after there was a week of media coverage about how gun and ammo sales in the US were off the wall since he got
elected.


-Mike

 

[cekim]

Considering that they've now just burned up 110% of their political capital?

Everyone needs to make a belated New Years resolution to call in that debt and make sure they suffer in the upcoming elections...

It needs to be a turnover of epic proportions...

 

[Bob P]

Considering that they've now just burned up 110% of their political capital? A very long time. Gun control is starting to reach the dreaded "A word" in terms of popularity among legislators. It's a wedge issue that causes them nothing but problems and gains them nothing politically in terms of votes. (by and large, if you took a survey of issues, for most voters, gun control is trying to stay within the top 10... and a lot of times, it never even gets mentioned anymore. It's a curse that the pols would like to just not deal with. ) There are probably a few dozen hard core antis in the house and the senate, but their agenda at this point is not going to make it very far. Even queen bug-eyes pelosi has intentionally shied away from pushing
gun control for fear of the damage it would cause to the rest of their agenda.

The biggest gun control threat we face right now from the Federal government comes from the executive.... EG, things Obama can get away with doing without having to pass a law to do it.

-Mike

This.

Don't expect ANY additional contraversial legislation from Congress until after the next election. Beware of Executive action.

 

[Old Glory]

Who is to say there isn't anti-gun clauses buried in the healthcare package? No one has read it.

 

[Lucas McCain]

The ink isnt dry on the bill and they are already amending the damn thing.

 

[LoginName]

Personally... I think they have bigger things on their agenda for right now.

There's still one wild card waiting to be played before we could get a better idea of what's in store for gun owners, and that is to what extent the SCOTUS is going to rule in the McDonald case... that is if they set a level of scrutiny and/or send a message on what gun control laws would be permissible.

 

[Twigg]

Dems road map to destruction of freedom...

1. Amnesty
2. Complete firearms ban

This.

More like this:

 

[JackDaniels]

We've had a year of distraction over BO's self-obsessed mandate to reform health insurance, despite violent disagreement in congress, state government, and the public. (well, at least the ones who are saddled with paying for all of it)

Now what? how long before they try to reinstate an AWB or other draconian measures against gun ownership? In an way, health care was beneficial, as it sucked a years' time out of this administration. I can't imagine it will take any less time to ram through gun control, as the dems are much more gun-shy (pun intended), remembering the repercussions of the Clinton Debacle.

"Health control's" conclusion will leave a large vacuum to fill in the house. What do you think will get sucked in next?

Hopefully they do it right away.

 

[soloman02]

Who is to say there isn't anti-gun clauses buried in the healthcare package? No one has read it.

This. That bill is 2400 pages. Also, I think they snuck in the education bill that kills all private student loans and replaces it with loans from the FED's.

 

[ochmude]

This. That bill is 2400 pages. Also, I think they snuck in the education bill that kills all private student loans and replaces it with loans from the FED's.

Wait, what? I've got a ton of private student loans right now. What's this you speak of?

 

[soloman02]

Wait, what? I've got a ton of private student loans right now. What's this you speak of?

I think it was snuck in there. I do not know for a fact as I'm not a lawyer and cannot read that legalese wording without wanting to break something. It probably would only affect new student loans anyway.

Again, I do not know for a fact (otherwise I would have posted a linky).

 

[UFO]

It cost $67 Billion and the Dems stuck Federal takeover of Student Loans into the HealthCare bill.

 

[ochmude]

I think it was snuck in there. I do not know for a fact as I'm not a lawyer and cannot read that legalese wording without wanting to break something. It probably would only affect new student loans anyway.

Again, I do not know for a fact (otherwise I would have posted a linky).

Roger. Well, I'll keep my eyes open for something like that. There is, without a doubt, all kinds of crap completely unrelated to health care that they've certainly snuck into this health care bill. I wouldn't be surprised by anything at this point.

 

[soloman02]

It cost $67 Billion and the Dems stuck Federal takeover of Student Loans into the HealthCare bill.

I have not read it, but they included it into the Reconciliation bill, H.R. 4872 which the house passed and has yet to be debated in the senate (hopefully it is killed).
Here is the title of the section for student loans:
TITLE I--INVESTING IN STUDENTS AND FAMILIES

And here is the link to the bill text:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.4872: