1. If you enjoy the forum please consider supporting it by signing up for a NES Membership  The benefits pay for the membership many times over.

  2. Dismiss Notice

Sig P365

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by rogues, Jan 8, 2018.

  1. 1st4040

    1st4040 NES Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2013
    Messages:
    446
    Likes Received:
    48
    pinefd likes this.

  2. russiandressing

    russiandressing NES Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2016
    Messages:
    66
    Likes Received:
    140
    Shot my P365 for the first time since buying it on Saturday. Expected it to be way snappier based on feedback from others but it truly felt less snappy than my 19. So much fun to shoot
     
    MarkT, buckfarack and MarioDawg like this.
  3. Dennis in MA

    Dennis in MA NES Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2007
    Messages:
    14,072
    Likes Received:
    6,074
    There are brand-spankin-new P365's out there to be had. Used? USED???
     
  4. 42!

    42! NES Life Member NES Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2010
    Messages:
    5,273
    Likes Received:
    2,389
    The MA approved aren't out yet, so technically any p365 you buy in MA is used. Unless you're LE
     
  5. Cuz

    Cuz NES Member

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2006
    Messages:
    2,111
    Likes Received:
    237
    Location:
    MA
    Huh???
     
    MarkT, andrew1220 and pupchow like this.
  6. Varmint

    Varmint NES Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2014
    Messages:
    10,746
    Likes Received:
    3,175
    Location:
    North Shore, MA
    Or you find a dealer that knows the laws.
     
  7. MarkT

    MarkT NES Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2013
    Messages:
    4,334
    Likes Received:
    1,062
    Location:
    Earth
    ...and isn't afraid to abide by them
     
    bauer, Varmint, bgoum and 2 others like this.
  8. buckfarack

    buckfarack NES Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2015
    Messages:
    1,323
    Likes Received:
    1,210
    Location:
    SE MA
    I second that. Huh???
     
    MarkT and andrew1220 like this.
  9. Varmint

    Varmint NES Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2014
    Messages:
    10,746
    Likes Received:
    3,175
    Location:
    North Shore, MA
    That's also key, lol.
     
    MarkT likes this.
  10. 42!

    42! NES Life Member NES Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2010
    Messages:
    5,273
    Likes Received:
    2,389
    A dealer can't, according to the law, sell a non MA approved handgun.
    It's ok to buy one, and it's ok to possess one, as long as you have your permission slip.
    So you can buy a non MA approved handgun in a FtF from a private party, just not from a dealer.
    This means the gun is not "new", because it has to have already gone through a retail transaction.

    I'm pretty sure a sale to LE is exempt.

    So a LEO could buy the gun, then decide he made a mistake and sell it in a FtF to anyone with an LTC. But even if he never fired it, it still is not "new".

    Add to this that the MA approved P365 has not even shipped yet, and this means no new P365s for MA yet.

    Of course I can get one at any of the LGS up here, and 12 round mags.
     
  11. Varmint

    Varmint NES Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2014
    Messages:
    10,746
    Likes Received:
    3,175
    Location:
    North Shore, MA
    It’s not what you don’t know that gets you, it’s what you think you know, but don’t know.
     
    JRT, andrew1220 and AM13 like this.
  12. 42!

    42! NES Life Member NES Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2010
    Messages:
    5,273
    Likes Received:
    2,389
    I don't see anything but vague comments from you, so please enlighten me.

    I'm having a hard time reconciling that Sig is producing a model that is specifically MA compliant, if in fact there is no need for this?
     
  13. buckfarack

    buckfarack NES Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2015
    Messages:
    1,323
    Likes Received:
    1,210
    Location:
    SE MA
    “according to the law” is the operative phrase here. They’re available here ;)
     
  14. Varmint

    Varmint NES Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2014
    Messages:
    10,746
    Likes Received:
    3,175
    Location:
    North Shore, MA
    Can't really address the first part without breaking the 1st rule of Fight Club, sorry.

    As for Sig, they do a lot of stupid stuff. Look at HK, they didn't put any stupid safeties or 10 lb triggers on their VP9 for Mass. Sig and S&W interpret the law in unnecessary ways.
     
  15. 42!

    42! NES Life Member NES Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2010
    Messages:
    5,273
    Likes Received:
    2,389
    First off I made it clear I was talking about legally obtaining a p365 and I made specific reference to that, so yes someone can illegally obtain one. Seems like a poor hill to die on given that there are legal avenues, but you do what you want, we all have different levels of acceptable risk.

    And you comments about the VP9 just show a lack of knowledge. The vp9 has a trigger safety (like a glock), so it has the required safety. As for Sig, I had a conversation with one of their guys about this very issue, 10lb trigger v. safety. They made an internal decision not to go the 10lb trigger route. All the Mfg. that seek MA approval make their own decision how to do it. But they all do it, or opt not to get approval.

    And don't go off saying I'm endorsing any particular law. I'm talking about the way things are, not some fantasy of the way they "should" be.
     
  16. Varmint

    Varmint NES Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2014
    Messages:
    10,746
    Likes Received:
    3,175
    Location:
    North Shore, MA
    What I'm talking about is completely legal, for the FFL and the buyer. Maybe rather than posting all this incorrect info, go find out how to buy free state guns legally in Mass.

    Yeah, Sig chose to 'innovate' and ended up with triggers that discharge when dropped. I'm all for innovation, but maybe get it right before selling the guns?
     
    andrew1220 and DPR like this.
  17. DPR

    DPR NES Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2016
    Messages:
    834
    Likes Received:
    576
    Location:
    South Shore
    After you set us straight on the "legal" process for handguns in Mass maybe slide over to the storage/transportation in Mass threads. We could use some help there too.
     
    andrew1220, Varmint and Masswhole like this.
  18. Nick Fury

    Nick Fury

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2012
    Messages:
    3,234
    Likes Received:
    1,684
    Location:
    nh
    Ok good now that is all settled...

    When is the Sig P365 with manual safety hitting the streets? My wife held a P365 last week and won’t stop talking about. Never seen her so excited over a firearm before.

    I showed her the laser so of course she wants that too. Anyone have any experience with the Lima365? They did a good job making it seem like part of the gun. I heard early models had issues with the switch being hard to activate. Is it hard to zero or change batteries?
     
    CatSnoutSoup likes this.
  19. Behind Enemy Lines

    Behind Enemy Lines Dealer NES Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2017
    Messages:
    438
    Likes Received:
    375
    I've been hearing August, but I'll ask the Sig rep tomorrow.

     
  20. Nick Fury

    Nick Fury

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2012
    Messages:
    3,234
    Likes Received:
    1,684
    Location:
    nh
    Ouch... Thanks. Any info would be appreciated.
     
  21. 42!

    42! NES Life Member NES Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2010
    Messages:
    5,273
    Likes Received:
    2,389
    Dam.
    The guys at the sig pro shop were saying mid to late April, I don't know if I can hold out until August.
     
  22. andrew1220

    andrew1220 NES Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2011
    Messages:
    10,843
    Likes Received:
    3,014
    Location:
    Glostah
    This. Anyone of us could have LEGALLY bought one of these when they were first released. No need to wait around for the compliance list to be updated. That list is meaningless essentially.

    The takeaway here, is to stop saying X handgun isn’t legal to own/buy in MA unless it’s on “the list”. That’s 100% false. End of story.
     
    drgrant, Varmint, MarkT and 2 others like this.
  23. pinefd

    pinefd NES Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2019
    Messages:
    72
    Likes Received:
    69
    Location:
    Eastern MA
    FYI, I just got off the phone with a dealer in MA who has the P365 in stock brand new (it's even on their website). They claim that they're MA compliant, but with no manual safeties.


    Frank
     
    Varmint and andrew1220 like this.
  24. andrew1220

    andrew1220 NES Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2011
    Messages:
    10,843
    Likes Received:
    3,014
    Location:
    Glostah
    Probably because some dealers are willing to take the “risk” since they’re both a P365 but one lacks a manual safety. Not like they’re selling the postban 12 round mags with them.
    Does a dealer have to report the specific SKU on their paperwork??

    Same thing with the Legions. I knew dealers transferring those (before they were compliant) because it’s basically a P226 model and gets reported as a P226.
     
    pinefd likes this.
  25. 42!

    42! NES Life Member NES Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2010
    Messages:
    5,273
    Likes Received:
    2,389
    All I will say is the version Sig says is MA compliant is not even shipping yet.
    Since the law puts the burden on the selling dealer, what this dealer is doing is not your problem.
     
    Dennis in MA and pinefd like this.
  26. MarkT

    MarkT NES Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2013
    Messages:
    4,334
    Likes Received:
    1,062
    Location:
    Earth
    Nailed it!
     
    andrew1220 likes this.
  27. 1st4040

    1st4040 NES Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2013
    Messages:
    446
    Likes Received:
    48
  28. MarkT

    MarkT NES Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2013
    Messages:
    4,334
    Likes Received:
    1,062
    Location:
    Earth
    Yeah, the mags are really tough to load initially but not so bad once they've been broken in a bit.
     
  29. DarkNet

    DarkNet NES Life Member NES Member

    Joined:
    May 21, 2016
    Messages:
    308
    Likes Received:
    171
    Finally made it to the range today to try it. Put a hundred rounds of American Eagle 115, hundred rounds of Remington Range, twenty-five rounds of Critical Defense 115 and twenty rounds of HST 150. No issues. Was able to hit the broad side of the barn. Used three magazines, two stock, and one with a switched out baseplate. Started loading the magazines by hand, although tough, was able to do it. Did switch over to a uplula, as I normally do at the range anyway. Definitely felt like they were going in easier towards the end of my time at the range. Did check some of the primers after shooting, and there is "some" drag. For me, overall I liked it, felt reliable, easy to shoot. Probably add it to the ones I carry depending on circumstances. (currently, in no particular order, 1911 compact, Shield 45, P938, S&W Airweight J frame, and now this). The advantage of this of course is the extra three rounds.
     
    CatSnoutSoup likes this.
  30. pinefd

    pinefd NES Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2019
    Messages:
    72
    Likes Received:
    69
    Location:
    Eastern MA
    Well, since I'm in no particular hurry to run out and pay a premium for a P365 now, and I kinda like the idea of a manual safety, I put a deposit down today on one of the MA compliant ones (with the safety) at Four Seasons that will likely arrive July/August. I was quoted a price of $499, which I thought was quite reasonable.


    Frank
     
    CatSnoutSoup and citoriguy like this.

Share This Page