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Shadow 2 Compact vs Shadow 2?
- Thread starter ultrazha
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so, look at it from this angle.
i have 2 S2s, just weighted one with no red dot optics - if has custom heavy grips, and it is 1388 grams with no magazine. i think with mag it will be twice more than that S2 compact.
but i wanted 2 heavy ass full metal longer barrel pistols and i have them. and i can tell, to shoot it from my left non-dominant hand is a bit of the challenge, as it is, well, heavy.
Mating of slide to the frame on those CZs is exceptional for the price those guns sell for. to get something superior you would need to look at alternative twice the price, i bet compact will work same well as the big S2. rapid fire and double taps probably will be a bit less simple, but not by a mile.
To have a lighter 870g gun with same almost great capabilities - it may have its benefits for those who are not comfortable handling a brick in their hands. and they give same 19 rounds capacity, that is kinda mute for MA, but, still.
It's not that heavy, a regular S2 is only marginally heavier than a full size 1911 is.
If you're not competing or dont have specific intent, you are better off with a full size gun 99 out of 100 times.
Tartakovsky
NES Member
That’s what she said
you should go to any range that offers rentals and try a 1kg gun in your hand. shoot it off one hand - if your wrist is not complaining and you can keep it from dancing - i personally would go with a full size CZ. as of missing much - no. is it same - also no. does it all matter - it depends, as if for no true competition, like Mike said in post above - it is all mute, really, it will be a very nice decent gun and you will love it, i bet.
i personally dislike compacts, do not have g19s anymore as i prefer g17 and same with CZs. for EDC i have a sub-compact p365, but, it is not a range gun.
ps. and some people swear by compacts and love them more than fullsize. to each their own.
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I love the balance of the full size S2.
I never felt like it was a heavy gun.
To me, it is all about balance. A well balanced gun won't feel heavy.
I am also strong like bull, so that might play into it.
Golddiggie
NES Member
I'm interested in the Shadow 2 Compact as well. I've seen good things on the tuber channels that have had time with it. I've carried both full size 1911's (wide body, so 14+ rounds in the mag) without issue. I've also carried the DE1911C without issue (all steel).
As for the post about the weight of the regular Shadow 2... Don't use commie measures in 'Merica!!
As for the post about the weight of the regular Shadow 2... Don't use commie measures in 'Merica!!
I’m not a big, strong person. I’ve got a Shadow 2. It is an awesome gun. If you just want it for range fun, get the full size. If you want to carry it, then get the compact.
you can look at price ladder for s2 clones. i have 2 blues - one cajunized, one left stock. i did try out orange, and, well, cajunized blue is better than stock orange, and to cajunize orange may feel a bit stupid considering price hike of an orange. like i feel much easier tinkering a $1200 thing than a $2200 thing.
then there is this:
CZ TS 2 Orange - CZ-USA
A championship-level sport pistol developed in close cooperation with elite shooterson the CZ Shooting Team.
cz-usa.com
and this:
CZC A01-SD OR - CZ-USA
Built from scratch at CZ Custom, the A01 is the evolution of the Shadow series.
cz-usa.com
with each price grade step up you get somewhat more of a refined product, but as with any top tier products - price increases exponentially while factual differences decrease at a same rate.
when you will decide upon what to buy - make sure to get one with the optics ready slide, as you can always keep it with stock irons, but, it is nice to have an option to mount any RMR compatible optics on it.
ps. my memory fails me now if TS2 gun uses same mags with S2 - i think it does not, as i had some reason not to get it and get a clone of same S2 i had, but, i can be wrong.
If you're really bouncing between shadow and p10, the middle ground would be p01/sp01...
Triggers on the p10's are nothing to write home about and in my experience not trivial to substantially improve, if you're going there you'd be better off with a canik, IMO.
P01/sp01 not great triggers either but still better than p10 but if you're picky about triggers probably puts you into shadow $'s to get there.
Personally I'm not impressed with the triggers on any of them without doing some work, up to and including the checkmate level stuff.
Subjective of course and depends on what you're doing with it I guess...
Triggers on the p10's are nothing to write home about and in my experience not trivial to substantially improve, if you're going there you'd be better off with a canik, IMO.
P01/sp01 not great triggers either but still better than p10 but if you're picky about triggers probably puts you into shadow $'s to get there.
Personally I'm not impressed with the triggers on any of them without doing some work, up to and including the checkmate level stuff.
Subjective of course and depends on what you're doing with it I guess...
Andykap
NES Member
I have the S2 Compact and a S2 orange (shoot in competition). The S2 compact is a perfect carry gun. It shoots great, and when you add a Lok grip it takes it to another level. The grip ergo for both is the same, and to me the same as the P10C. The stock trigger on the S2 compact (S2C) is better than the stock trigger on the P10 series. You have the additional benefit to make the S2C into a SAO trigger.
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In all honesty is somebody who owns several of both they're not that much different the P10 is just a cleaner pull by default but that doesn't really mean anything anymore. Unless somebody is like sauced up over pure out of box experience.
Andykap
NES Member
Then I guess a 1911 is a bad idea for a carry gun? Everyone has their own comfort and experience levels when carrying.
However you want to put it, the principal of operation of the sear/striker release mechanism is pretty much the same on glock and p10, just different mechanics to get there. Each use a ramp that the sear gets pushed back into to finish cocking the striker, while also moving down to release the striker, which is why either is difficult to improve to a substantial degree. The safety features are also implemented quite differently in each.In all honesty is somebody who owns several of both they're not that much different the P10 is just a cleaner pull by default but that doesn't really mean anything anymore. Unless somebody is like sauced up over pure out of box experience.
Other than the obvious polishing engagement surfaces and mucking with springs tensions, basically you need to alter the ramp angle and/or reduce the amount of engagement between the sear and striker. I haven't found a clean/easy way to make the sear engagement in either adjustable.
And I'd imagine all this is compromising reliability to some degree...
There are folks who proclaim that
If I get a Shadow 2 Compact, I will leave the DA as it is. With a spring kit from Cajun Custom, the DA trigger pull on my Shadow 2 is awesome and easily dealt with.
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