Service / carry pistols?

Picton said:
I've witnessed three NDs with M9s, one of them fatal. Another one wounded a 9-year-old girl standing nearby. All despite the safety catch.

I think I understand the military obsession with mechanical safeties, but I think they're unnecessary from a training standpoint. I think they add a moving part, which becomes a point of failure when dealing with Joe.

To me, going to the Glock would simplify training: the sole need would be to teach kids to keep the booger hook off the bang switch. You'd still get military NDs (because Joe will be Joe), but I don't see a downside. And even though I'm vocally (but cordially) anti-Glock in my own life, going over to that platform is a no-brainer in any institutional context.

They're just too easy to train on, maintain, and replace. And they're dead reliable.
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USAF we carried M9s with the safety off.
 
DrummerGunner said:
“Limp wristing” ha! I’ve seen some women at the range that looked like they’d almost shoot the roof after each shot..
no it’s the the problem here.

I found stovepipes a consistent issue. Enough for me to wonder about stock Glock as best scenario. I switched back to M9 and then Walther PDP.
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hmmm.... I've shot plenty of Glocks with no stove piping.
I've also shot, and used to always carry, a 45. Never put a hole in the roof of any cover at the ranges....
 
FrugalFannie said:
hmmm.... I've shot plenty of Glocks with no stove piping.
I've also shot, and used to always carry, a 45. Never put a hole in the roof of any cover at the ranges....
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I've had my glocks stove pipe several times. But it was obviously not the guns fault. I was trying to take a precision long distance shot (50 yards at a small target) and holding the gun very loosley so I could ensure a smooth trigger pull and not knock my sights out of alignment
 
In all this shit stirring what is lost is that the PDP is in fact a great pistol. Imagine how this thread would have digressed if he had said he carried some gun that’s actually terrible.
 
Asaltweapon said:
Bagged like a professional troller.

Frankly I’d be surprised if he wasn’t driving an old cruiser trade in from the state police fleet.
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To be fair, if I could get a real good deal, I’d love a retired cop car. Then I’d give it a black and white paint scheme and get a black suit for me and my son.
 
This I'd mentioned on the target sports thread. I recently had 600 rounds of Aquila 9mm target ammo, it malfunctioned consistently in my gen5 19 as well as a p80 based g19 (a gen3). Every mag at least one malfunction. The root cause was it being underpowered.

My Sig 226 ate the rest of the 500+ rounds with a 0% failure rate.

This is a pretty rare event I witnessed, but at the moment I'd say that Glock design is less tolerant to ammunition on the weak side. Which if your ammo is 100% good, isn't an issue. It'd be nice if I had a 229 in 9mm to compare it to for a closer apples to apples (size wise).. and still that'd be a much heavier weapon. I can't say Glocks are unreliable in any way either, just some other design is capable of eating that garbage better.
 

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