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Literally you're just poking holes in someone with a handgun round. They don't have the hydrostatic shock effect of a rifle round impact so it doesn't matter.
Personally, I would just go with a proven self defense round like HST, Gold Dot, etc.
Shot placement trumps ballistics. Shoot whatever you shoot best. If someone's 2nd and 3rd shots are way off with powerful 9mm self defense loads but dead center with their .380, guess which I would recommend they carry.
With my little LC9s I like 147gr better than 115. Slightly more thumpy than snappy.
Liberty is the lethal incarnation it claims to be. had a ND and shot my left hand at point blank range. It looked like a grenade went off in my hand. hit just at the palm and the joint of my index finger. Blew my index finger off and exploded my middle finger joint . Dumped ALL of it’s energy in my hand. cops looked for an hour for bullet hole but found nothing but fragments and blood in the ceiling. The back of my hand looked like a tomato hit by a .22. have no doubts about fps claim and that huge hollow point did it’s job. have full mags of it in my 9mm handguns and my ar has 40 ready to go as well as my 308CETME which they claim 3500 fps for. I’am a believer the hard way!!!!
Shot placement matters for both.I usually carry 9mm in the summer and switch to 45 ACP in the winter. I usually rely on shot placement more with 9mm (all in black on 50 ft NRA target) and use non-self defense rounds and then use Hornady self defense in my 45 ACP but still get adequate shot placement (50 ft NRA target). But I’m actually interested in what others have to say about this.
Agreed, I’m working on tighter groups for the 45 and I’m generally hitting center mass of the target, just not mind blowing sub-MOA groups.Shot placement matters for both.
You should use self defense rounds in both.
.45 is not a magic round that instantly drops a bad guy.
You don't need to focus on shot placement if you just use a .40..
124s generally run 9mm better. More "thumpy" vs snap recoil impulse = better cycling.FWIW, my P938 is happier (far fewer failures) with a 124 grain round than a 115.
Depends on the ones were talking about here, some of the shitty/cheap jhps are a waste of money, and you might as well just carry ball ammo. Winchester did have a skinflint 147gr jhp load though (sold at walmart, before they caved) that had excellent performance. Also, in some cases, cheap jhps can actually be far /worse/than ball, for a whole variety of reasons... if someone carries jhps its in their best interest to pick something decent.winchester white box hollow points will do the job just as well as the boutique stuff for a lot less money. if you disagree then i would say you're too focused on minutia that makes no real world difference. given proper shot placement any hollow point will do and i do like heavy for caliber.