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Remington killing Bushmaster, DPMS, Tapco, and StormLake Barrels
Parker Duofold
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The only AR10 I have is a DPMS that I purchased a couple of years ago. It's a very accurate rifle with no feeding issues or anything. I didn't know it was made by Remington.
My first AR is a Bushmaster, made in 1998. Never have had any issues with it. My first skeet gun is a Rem 1100, bought in the 1970s. Solid performer. My Rem 870 Police Magnum is a retired cruiser gun made in the 1990s, also a solid performer.
If your familiar with Tapco your probably 50 + yrs old . Or you where not buying cheap shit 30 years ago.
If you know Tapco today you buy cheap shit. Lol
I think the only thing keeping Tapco alive was Century Arms using tapco parts for builds
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Dennis in MA
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Oh I’m not saying the industry is declining. I’m saying it’s fracturing. On one end is the high end guns. On the other is run-of-the-mill ones. The lower end is dropping in price like a rock. So a Bushmaster can’t compete and stay in business.
The secondary lesson is: if given a choice between making a high end product or low end one, try and pick the high end. You never compete on price. Les Baer still gets a ton for a pistol.
Windham makes a solid rifle at a decent price.
I think they will be around for a while.
Ceribus has been on a buy and kill spree for a while.
I had a lump in my throat when I heard the bought Thompson /Center.
I think they will be around for a while.
Ceribus has been on a buy and kill spree for a while.
I had a lump in my throat when I heard the bought Thompson /Center.
citoriguy
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Remember the amount of lawsuits Bushmaster is facing from one shooting or another. Transfer whatever IP they have to the surviving entities and let Bushmaster die. Remington should be allowed to spin them off so they can declare bankruptcy, but that’s not going to happen.
For Colt - bankruptcy is the best thing that can happen. Chapter 11, settle debt at a fraction of the outstanding amount, and emerge without much of the baggage. Do a valuation of their brand, sell it and go on their way.
For Colt - bankruptcy is the best thing that can happen. Chapter 11, settle debt at a fraction of the outstanding amount, and emerge without much of the baggage. Do a valuation of their brand, sell it and go on their way.
It's about money. I've never looked at a Bushmaster, never really heard of Tapco, didn't have a high opinion of DPMS either. I'm a 'normal' type gun owner, not an avid, in depth, know everything about every company. I bet they are losing money on those brands. It sucks, but that really means there are tons of other manufacturers that have put them in that spot, which is a good thing overall.
The one Bushmaster AR I played with was all over the place fit and finish wise. The bolt group was a mess. It was one gun, but still. I know people who have DPMS guns, they 'own' them, but don't talk about them.
How is Windham Weapons doing? That may have been the one good thing that happened. Big corporations are slow to change, looks like they got beat in the game of change. They also have more overhead paying extra CEO's and such. Smaller companies, not so much. Guns are cheap now, unless you want a really tricked out 'special' variant.
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The 1100. The problem for Remington is that there's so many used 1100s out there that buying a new one for like $800, $900 is just stupid. Further, with everyone afraid of buying a new Remington gun, that decreases their sales even more. With multigun, the JM Pro and detachable mag-fed shotguns are better than the 1100.
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the ACR
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I recently bought an Remmy 870 tactical from a member here....I really like it. The beauty of it is that I can swap out the barrel in about 30 seconds and have a decent hunting shotgun.
Remington's 700s, 870s, Marlins, and 1911s post bankruptcy are well made. It was the transition period when Cerberus couldn't figure how to run a gun company that was a problem. Even the recent bankruptcy wasn't a result so much of mismanagement, beyond the R51 debacle, so much as Cerberus sticking them with a massive debt buying back shares Cerberus had been issued to repay itself for investing in new manufacturing plants (making the company borrow money to pay one class of the investors back). Typical MBA should be illegal but isn't bullshit to make sure they make their money back and dump all the risk on the other investors/shareholders which don't have insider information as part of the management.
Not sure if serious, there are tons of vendors left in the middle, if we're talking like $800 to 2 grand. . (at least thats what I consider the middle of the AR market. )
Also DPMS/BM/etc were rarely "in the middle. " Maybe 15 years ago before they all got ruined. Nowadays is pretty much trash to the extent gun shops don't even buy much of it. There are other vendors that sell guns better than that junk for the same price. The last rem BM rifle i saw was a total joke, Smith M&P sport put it to shame.
The 870 police used to be good problem is theres a bunch of other shotguns you can get for less money regardless. Pretty much anything they make, somebody else does a better job at. Even the 700 was kind of meh, most people rarely ran them without mods. It just became famous because of its popularity. It was an accessible way to get a receiver. That whole safety recall fiasco they had several years ago did not help, either. Dealers had piles of broken guns.....
-Mike
I think they've been doing some weird bankster shell game bullshit with those gun companies, they don't care about them being profitable just the veneer, it's a bit mystifying how Remington can accumulate as much debt as it did while being so irrelevant in the market. I think there's likely a lot of financial f***ery going on there.
chris_1001
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Sooooo many other (better) options.
Cut the me too sub par brands and focus on the core products.
Same as Colt exiting the AR market. It’s saturated and they fell to mid to average quality.
It’s a business. Not shocked
Cut the me too sub par brands and focus on the core products.
Same as Colt exiting the AR market. It’s saturated and they fell to mid to average quality.
It’s a business. Not shocked
You are correct.
For some reason I thought it was Remington.
It may as well have been Cerebus for all the good S&W has done with them.
My cousins wife worked for T/C's foundry office when they were in Rochester.
Those were the good old days, when you could walk into the T/C Custom Shop, which was located next door at Fox Ridge Outfitters, and order a custom frame or barrel.
You could get smooth side frames with custom engraving, custom serial numbers, and barrels in any length, style, finish and chambering you can think of.
I have several one-of-a-kind Contender barrels made to my unique specs, and I had my cousins wife put in the orders for me so I got her 40% off employee discount.
Anyway, all was fine until S&W rolled up with a truck full of money and bought the company.
They promised they'd keep the Rochester facilities open and nobody would lose their jobs, but a year later S&W decided to "consolidate their operations" and soon they closed it all down and moved production to Springfield. Gone too was Fox Ridge and the Custom Shop.
I know they still make the G2 Contenders and Encores, but I never see them for sale anywhere, or even advertised anymore.
The only promotion I see is for their line of muzzleloaders, while the Contenders are virtually forgotten.
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