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Can anyone tell me there experiences/ problems with LEOSA - HR 218?
I am assuming that not all areas welcome this with the open arms they should.
You will need to be a lot more specific in your question:
I guess its hard to believe that a MA resident in another state can show a lousy little police ID issued from a small town in MA and get the "Your all set" from the LEO in that state and vise versa. Just looking for real world examples of how it went down. Thanks for the info I got so far.
I guess its hard to believe that a MA resident in another state can show a lousy little police ID issued from a small town in MA and get the "Your all set" from the LEO in that state and vise versa. Just looking for real world examples of how it went down. Thanks for the info I got so far.
- Every city/town/agency has a different ID, some look professional and some look like a kid made them in 5 minutes. I suspect that other states may not be much different.
- Unlike the book published for LE to ID legit DLs from all 50 states, there is no such document to determine legit LE IDs. A lot of LEOs have claimed that simply conversing with another "officer" can smoke out the phonies in short order.
- Many PDs will refuse to qualify anyone who didn't retire from that department, refuse to qualify any retirees, refuse to issue retiree IDs, refuse to qualify Feds, etc. It's a mess and no law is going to change that.
- NYPD arrested a PA Constable with a warrant against some guy in NYC and had been sent there to make the arrest. The case against him was eventually dismissed as a violation of LEOSA.
- USCG person arrested (NY?) with firearm claimed LEOSA status, and the judge bought the story and dismissed the charges.
- SD case regarding officers tangling with Hell's Angels in a bar. GSG just posted a link to that case.
The Big O signed the revision to LEOSA into law today.
I'm betting that it will be 2-3 years before MA revises the CMR and it still won't be compliant with the Fed Law!!
No way they are going to allow part-timers such as myself (who separated after 17 years) to qualify for LEOSA in MA!! [Yes, that is part of this revision . . . 10 years total service, no pension requirements.]
Hey brother, don't forget that the whole purpose of LEOSA is to keep tyrannical, anti-gun dictatorships like MA out of it. You are a cop, go ahead and carry. MA can't say crap about it. I guess you still have to qualify with the carry gun, but I am going to read through and see if you need to get qualified by your old department or just to department standards.
EDIT: The ammendment to LEOSA contains the following change for retired officers:
‘(4) during the most recent 12-month period, has met, at the expense of the individual, the standards for qualification in firearms training for active law enforcement officers, as determined by the former agency of the individual, the State in which the individual resides or, if the State has not established such standards, either a law enforcement agency within the State in which the individual resides or the standards used by a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that State;’
So I guess you just need to find a certified instructor that will run you through the course of fire. I don't even know if there is a MA standard or if it is different for each agency.
There is now a MA standard, but there seems to be some confusion on what the LEOSA Instructor MUST use for training standards. I just filed to become a LEOSA Instructor, if MSP certifies me, I understand (from another LEOSA Instructor) that I will get a packet of info that provides more guidance (per MGL and CMR) as to what I need to do to qualify LEOs. I'll admit to not having paid a lot of attention to the requirements since my testimony on the CMR when it was proposed (it was an abortion).
The Official Website of the Executive Office of Public Safety and Security (EOPSS)
Mass.Gov
Public Safety
* EOPSS Home
* Mass.Gov
* State Agencies
* State Online Services
Home > Firearms Registration & Laws >
Approved LEOSA Courses
In Accordance with 515 CMR 6.00:
LEOSA Courses
Certification #
Municipal Police Training Committee LEO-001
Massachusetts Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors & Armorers Association LEO-002
SIGARMS Academy LEOSA Certification Course LEO-003
DWJR LEOSA Certification Course LEO-004
(Updated 10/24/2008)
Final thought, it's not a mistake that every single one of these cases comes from states that are remarkably anti-gun. Hawaii, NY, D.C. and Kali are all neck & neck in the competition for "Sh*ttiest place to have guns in the US" award. Granted, because of that LEOSA is your only option for CCW there, but still, spend your tourist dollars in states that respect human rights if you have half the chance.
Three hours into the New Year, a car load of military servicemen were driving from a nightclub in Clifton, NJ. The driver had forgotten to turn on the car's headlights before pulling into the street.
Clifton Police Officer Giardina stopped the car. The driver, a U.S. Coast Guardian, volun-teered that she had a firearm in the glove box, as most LEOs would, and produced her driving credentials, agency ID, and Virginia CCW...
Attorney Dean Gregory took the case of a federal corrections officer charged with unlawful possession pro bono. Officer Jerry Dan Hooten had been stopped in Texas for reckless driving and charged with possessing his personally owned handgun...
I've seen both of these before. There was some doubt that a CG sailor would qualify under LEOSA, as well as the Federal CO.
YMMV
SUPERIOR COURT OF NEW JERSEY
APPELLATE DIVISION
DOCKET NO. A-4077-06T4
IN RE CARRY PERMIT OF
JAMES L. ANDROS
It is conceded that appellant satisfied the requirements of the federal act. But a retired officer's conduct permits the licensing state to revoke the permit, as evidenced by the requirements for qualification and testing every year. See U.S.C.A. 926C(c)(5). In other words, the federal act expressly permits states to set "standards for training and qualification" consistent with those of "active law enforcement officers." Otherwise, a retired officer who suffers from a disability or inability to satisfy those standards would be able to continue to carry firearms.
We thus agree with the opinion of Judge Neustadter that the federal act merely preempts a state's ability to preclude, or change the requirements for, carrying the firearm interstate, if the state of former employment permits licensing of the retired officer.
Has won HR 218 decisions in NJ, NY, MA, IL, and VA
Hawaii’s LEOSA Firearm Policy takes a zero
tolerance position on carrying a concealed firearm
while “under the influence” of alcohol or intoxicating or
hallucinatory drugs or substances. The LEOSA
Firearm Policy defines “under the influence” as “any
amount of alcohol or other intoxicating or hallucinatory
drug or substance, in the blood or breath.”