greencobra
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another 870 person here. an 870 also happens to be the first firearm i ever shot back in the day and i still own a late 70's vintage one. five stars!
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This.Don’t overlook the Benelli Supernovas.
I hadn't thought of Ithica. Easily one of the best pump shotguns of all time. Great if your a lefty, ejects down.
Only the older ones. I have several older ones and really like them. I'm left handed.plus it will SLAMFIRE!!!11
I've popped many a cottontail and snowshoe hare on the second and even third shot with my mossy 500. It takes practice to shoot pump shoot fast but it's definitely not a one shot deal on rabbits with a pump gun.By the time you rack the slide, rabbit is long gone. You're only going to get 1 shot at it. If you're interested in small game, semi 1100 might be a better choice. Esp. if you put duck on the menu.
By the time you rack the slide, rabbit is long gone. You're only going to get 1 shot at it. If you're interested in small game, semi 1100 might be a better choice. Esp. if you put duck on the menu.
I forgot about this. Not only did my 870 routinely lock up, but it also developed surface rust each time I took it out.Remington 870s in the last 5 years that I personally know of have an irritating habit of rusting quickly in even mild humidity. Therefore I would recommend the Mossberg 500.
Absolutely agree. It's about practice and experience. If your the type of hunter that pulls the shotgun out 2 times a year for a rabbit trip yes you'll be at a disadvantage with a pump over an autoloader. But if you hunt often and shoot some clay sports a few times a month including some doubles a pump is a more reliable and faster option than the autoloader.Not really.
My friend has hunted exclusively with one ithaca 37 for 25 years. He can run that faster than any guy shooting an auto loader.
I can even run a pump fairly fast and accurately. Its all about knowing your gun and practice and experience.
I forgot about this. Not only did my 870 routinely lock up, but it also developed surface rust each time I took it out.
I never hunted with it, just some range time. About a day later I always had to polish off a few small patches of brown grit. I suspect if I hadn’t been so vigilant it would have gotten pretty bad.
1.5 STARS
Remington 870s in the last 5 years that I personally know of have an irritating habit of rusting quickly in even mild humidity. Therefore I would recommend the Mossberg 500.
My new (back in 2009-10) Remington 870 rusted like crazy, more so than any gun I've ever experienced. Whatever they are doing for the black parkerized finish is terrible. Don't know if the higher end lines (wingmaster, police magnum, whatever) use the same terrible finish, but I would avoid the express line like the plague.
Unless you are shopping for a used gun, don't rely on the old reputation of the 870 line. The quality issues related to the change in ownership are legendary.
If the barrel is threaded and it has a tube in it I doubt it's a cylinder bore choke. Its probably an improved cylinder choke.Well, I personally finally made a decision. It checked all the boxes and had a few I was unaware of. Tried B&K this morning to no avail. Some rough used 500’s/590’s including a left-hander that I would have bought, but the safety was apparently not functioning properly. We both tried it and nothing. Went a little further down the road to MFS and found my Goldilocks. A Mossy 590(as a lefty the 870 and those similar got tossed out due to safety location, thanks for the help though Enbloc)20”, 8+1, ghost ring, nothing too extra or over the top, or so I thought...
Unbeknownst to me, it has a bayonet lug(useless) and the damn barrel is threaded and came with a cylinder choke!? Not something I was interested in, considering my method of use, but I may just plop an improved cylinder in there and see what happens. It also had the tri-rail pump, so throwing a flashlight on there will be easy if I’m so inclined. Ok, so maybe it’s a little more tacti-cool than anticipated, however, less than 500 out the door for this package is hard to argue. I would have paid more for the used lefty 590A1.
I can’t give it any stars as I have yet to shoot it. I will say it feels like a brick shit house and doesn’t rattle at all, though there is definitely play in the forend. Is that the Mossberg rattle they speak of?
Either way, it’s a sexy piece and I’m excited for it to kick my ass, though the rubber butt-pad is very squishy and of the open trellis design.
Here’s a pic of my belated birthday present to myself.
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ThisIf the barrel is cut for choke tubes, you'd be at an advantage if you ever ran that in 3-Gun.
If the barrel is cut for choke tubes, you'd be at an advantage if you ever ran that in 3-Gun.
If the barrel is threaded and it has a tube in it I doubt it's a cylinder bore choke. Its probably an improved cylinder choke.
Why are you upset about having a shotgun that has changeable chokes? That's an advantage.
Edit....just checked mossy website on that model and it states it comes with threads and a cylinder bore choke. That is odd.
But nonetheless your at an advantage with Being able to change chokes.
In my opinion they didn't sell you an all around model. It has ghost ring sights......that's specific to tactical. If you plan to shoot clay sports or hunt with it the ghost ring is a disadvantage. You have yourself a nice home defense / 3 gun shotgun there though.It is definitely cut and threaded from the factory for chokes. Baby steps though. The thought hadn't crossed my mind as this is my first shotgun and I merely wanted something more of an all-around model. With that said, the ability to grow into and possibly use it for any number of specific purposes, is something that shouldn't be understated. I hadn't heard of the accu-choke system from Mossberg until I saw the choke tool in the box while the salesman was wrapping up the transaction. I bought the floor model so it was assembled and right there for us to look at. The MFS employee and I were both a little taken aback, again, I had no idea this option existed. Also, I can't give the guys over there enough praise. Approachable, professional, never condescending(I showed up in flip-flops), very knowledgeable, and funny to boot. I've shot there a few times and purchased multiple firearms from them. Selection is a little thin and spread out, but I still highly recommend if you're looking for a new gun. They don't have a used selection, though it would probably be a great idea for them.
It is definitely cut and threaded from the factory for chokes. Baby steps though. The thought hadn't crossed my mind as this is my first shotgun and I merely wanted something more of an all-around model. With that said, the ability to grow into and possibly use it for any number of specific purposes, is something that shouldn't be understated. I hadn't heard of the accu-choke system from Mossberg until I saw the choke tool in the box while the salesman was wrapping up the transaction. I bought the floor model so it was assembled and right there for us to look at. The MFS employee and I were both a little taken aback, again, I had no idea this option existed. Also, I can't give the guys over there enough praise. Approachable, professional, never condescending(I showed up in flip-flops), very knowledgeable, and funny to boot. I've shot there a few times and purchased multiple firearms from them. Selection is a little thin and spread out, but I still highly recommend if you're looking for a new gun. They don't have a used selection, though it would probably be a great idea for them.
In my opinion they didn't sell you an all around model. It has ghost ring sights......that's specific to tactical. If you plan to shoot clay sports or hunt with it the ghost ring is a disadvantage.
Very true. I don't anticipate doing any skeet or trap with this, I wanted ghost rings because with my limited experience with shotguns, I could focus better with them versus a bead. Also for slugs, to see what I can do at distance. They just seem more intuitive to me.
Your OP states that you're looking for a shotgun for hunting and target shooting and while an 18" 12-gauge can be used for the traditional shotgun sports and shotgun deer season, this shotgun is better off in a 3-gun match than in a treestand or at the skeet fields. The ghost ring is fine for fixed or perhaps slow-moving targets but won't be good for upland game. The 8+1 tube is not helpful for hunting or "traditional" shotgun sports because those involve one or two shells for say trap and skeet or no more than three or five shells for hunting.
That gun seems... painful... for turkey hunting.
If you want to try the gun out in competition shooting, come down to Bradford Sportsmen's in RI on 6/2. There's going to be a shotgun + pistol 2-gun match. You just have to pre-register on Practiscore. Bring 100 rounds of 7.5 shot or bigger (7.5, 8, or 9).
Bradford Sportsman's Multi gun debut (shotgun/handgun)
Not my OP, I'm just encroaching on the thread, but I appreciate the sentiment! The more I read up on 3 gun( or 2 gun I suppose) the more intriguing it becomes. Thanks for the info, I've got no problem finishing last, someone has to, right? Just need a holster for the VP9 and I'm in.