President Trump proposes to cut $1.3 Billion from USCG budget

Jesus, the CG already gets the handme downs from everyone else, how much is left to cut? I mean, who's going to secure the gulf after all the illegals are gone and the wall is up?
 
Some percentage of the CG budget is for the war on drugs.

Here's a boarding of a US flagged sailboat 40 miles south of Colombia. You will see that their skin is swabbed for drug residue.

On another forum I asked a retired CG what probable cause did the CG have to search for drugs? natraps116 is the screen name of Don the captain in the video. Here's what transpired:

Originally Posted by Jason Flare
If the coast guard only has the authority to board to inspect for safety issues and marine toilets and cannot search the boat without probable cause, what were they doing swabbing down natraps16 and his crew searching for drug residue?


ETA: If I remember correctly, natraps16 said the call came in from Virginia to swab them. How did VA come up with probable cause?

I do not have the answer for that, sorry. I do remember this technology coming out before I retired, but I thought it was going to be considered a search (ie: required probable cause + exigent circumstances, a warrant, or consent).


And here's the video of the USCG boarding the US flagged sailboat 40 miles south of Colombia:




https://m.youtube.com/watch?ebc=ANy...7wCp6xZyjqOb0A&time_continue=54&v=JEEbIR2hBn4
 
The CG moved away from their core missions once they were rolled into DHS. Now there is money not well spent.

But hell, let's cut their budget, because it's only being used on drug interdiction.

Those guys do more with the shittiest gear. Antiquated ships, boats being used past service life, fuel budgets cut so the crews can't even train properly to do what they're supposed to, which is save ****ing lives.

They cut the budget more, if I had an ocean going vessel, I'd sell it, because sea tow is legal rape.


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I'm conflicted, on one hand the security and rescue roles they do are a godsend on the other hand the anti drug stuff is crazy.

My Dad used to joke that in WW2 if you wanted to get into a fight with a Coastie (and you were Navy) call them the "Jewish Fleet".

No offence to our Jewish friends...
 
CoastieRon said:
The CG moved away from their core missions once they were rolled into DHS. Now there is money not well spent.

But hell, let's cut their budget, because it's only being used on drug interdiction.

Those guys do more with the shittiest gear. Antiquated ships, boats being used past service life, fuel budgets cut so the crews can't even train properly to do what they're supposed to, which is save ****ing lives.

They cut the budget more, if I had an ocean going vessel, I'd sell it, because sea tow is legal rape.


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Those were the old days when the CG would tow you. The CG isn't going to tow you unless you're in imminent danger. You need to subscribe to TowboatUS or SeaTow.

The war on drugs is a waste of money no matter who's waging it and the USCG is waging it around the world.

ETA: What was the CG's core mission?
 
No disrespect to anyones points but you are way over simplifying the CG missions. Yes drug interdiction is the sexy part but every district is different. First district in which the majority of you live in predominantly does SAR, ATON, Fisheries enforcement, drug interdiction is a minor thing here (not that it doesn't happen but all those other things I mentioned happen consistently and more frequently). The 7th (FL) does drug interdiction and immigration predominantly. Same thing with the 11th. (CA) drugs immigration SAR. The point is anyplace they are doing drug interdiction they are also doing immigration at the same time (same resources). So the loss is the loss. For the guy that said do away with them and roll them into the navy (yes Im talking to you in your Bugle Boy Jeans) in the CG the "movie officer" is an E-3 non-rate as opposed to the Navy who is an actual officer. Your actual billets are collateral duties in the CG. Im doing my squid wave right now

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Thumbs down. In my entirely inexpert opinion we should be adding capabilities to the CG. ASW in the coast should be a primary role.
 
Number of New York City police officers = approximately 40,000 (51,000 including civilians).

Number of US Coastguardsmen and women = approximately 43,000 (51,000 including civilians).
 
CoastieRon said:
The CG moved away from their core missions once they were rolled into DHS. Now there is money not well spent.

But hell, let's cut their budget, because it's only being used on drug interdiction.

Those guys do more with the shittiest gear. Antiquated ships, boats being used past service life, fuel budgets cut so the crews can't even train properly to do what they're supposed to, which is save ****ing lives.

They cut the budget more, if I had an ocean going vessel, I'd sell it, because sea tow is legal rape.


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If he dies he dies.
 
jkelly1229 said:
If he dies he dies.
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I have a friend who lost power off the cape and called SeaTow. The guy covering had to "take his mother to the hospital" and said "call the coastguard".

Needless to say, my friend is new to the ways of the sea, and a bit of a moron and didn't call the coastguard. He instead managed to anchor the boat to a rock jetty during high tide on a rough night- I should also mention he was drinking with friends. The boat was mostly recovered in the morning, my friend was among the missing and presumed dead after his cell phone got wet (along with everybody else's) when trying to anchor the boat- He was sleeping off his hangover with aforementioned friends on shore.

So yeah, all that money to Seatow, and the one time it was needed...
 
Although I am of the opinion we were never in the fight with the war on drugs I like the Coast Guard. So to win the war on drugs you must legalize them all like beer, wine and liquor and sell quality product to those who choose to use. Put a surcharge on it that will be funneled for rehab to those who choose to get clean and be done with it. Anyone caught dealing gets a mandatory 20 with no parole.

Then get the coast guard back to doing what it needs to do in saving lives, catching people trying to come here illegally and being a 'coast line' line of defense...and stop wasting there time with a war on drugs that the government clearly doesn't want to win.
 
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Jason Flare said:
Those were the old days when the CG would tow you. The CG isn't going to tow you unless you're in imminent danger. You need to subscribe to TowboatUS or SeaTow.

The war on drugs is a waste of money no matter who's waging it and the USCG is waging it around the world.

ETA: What was the CG's core mission?
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Back before DHS it was "Protection of Life, Property and from threats at sea". It hasn't changed too much, but the focus is more towards the LE side of the house. Being retired the last 6 years, I haven't kept up.

As for the "non-mom & pop no immediate danger tow jobs: This started in 1982. See attached link for more information:

http://uscgaux-danapoint.ipower.com/members_area/Library/general/MARB Policy.pdf

I will tell you a few things about this: if one of the commercial responders couldn't get there within an hour, we would use that case as a training case for the new crewmembers. The the owner of the local Sea Tow would call, complain and be promptly told by the CO to pound sand. This was in the 90's though. Now that CO would get relieved for cause. Later on, if the CG did that, they were on the hook for money lost due to taking away a company's livelihood. Heck, I remember a few times where a vessel was brokedown WITHIN SIGHT of the station, and we would get the morale boat underway, dressed in civi's to bring them to a dock as "good Samaritans"

Let CBP get their own friggen boats and do drug intradiction. Maybe they'll get hand me down CG boats. LMAO
 
bigblue said:
Bullshit. Illegal drug searches on the seas is their main concern.
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Really? Did you know that 14USC89 states:

(a)The Coast Guard may make inquiries, examinations, inspections, searches, seizures, and arrests upon the high seas and waters over which the United States has jurisdiction, for the prevention, detection, and suppression of violations of laws of the United States. For such purposes, commissioned, warrant, and petty officers may at any time go on board of any vessel subject to the jurisdiction, or to the operation of any law, of the United States, address inquiries to those on board, examine the ship’s documents and papers, and examine, inspect, and search the vessel and use all necessary force to compel compliance. When from such inquiries, examination, inspection, or search it appears that a breach of the laws of the United States rendering a person liable to arrest is being, or has been committed, by any person, such person shall be arrested or, if escaping to shore, shall be immediately pursued and arrested on shore, or other lawful and appropriate action shall be taken; or, if it shall appear that a breach of the laws of the United States has been committed so as to render such vessel, or the merchandise, or any part thereof, on board of, or brought into the United States by, such vessel, liable to forfeiture, or so as to render such vessel liable to a fine or penalty and if necessary to secure such fine or penalty, such vessel or such merchandise, or both, shall be seized.
(b)The officers of the Coast Guard insofar as they are engaged, pursuant to the authority contained in this section, in enforcing any law of the United States shall:(1)be deemed to be acting as agents of the particular executive department or independent establishment charged with the administration of the particular law; and

(2)be subject to all the rules and regulations promulgated by such department or independent establishment with respect to the enforcement of that law.



(c)The provisions of this section are in addition to any powers conferred by law upon such officers, and not in limitation of any powers conferred by law upon such officers, or any other officers of the United States.
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The CG can board ANY vessel. Without probable cause. "F/V so and so, we will be conducting an inspection of your carriage requirements to ensure you are in compliance with the law". Every day. Any day. There was a day we did 58 carriage inspections during Tarpon Rodeo in Grand Isle, LA. I once counted 5,832 lobsters on a trawler that did not have an incidental catch permit for N. American lobster. They ended up having 98 eggers in that number. Huge fine. Want to know why I remember those numbers? Because it was 1994 and we had rags called mustang suits for PPE and it was 17 degrees out and I was freezing my ass off.

Every different district has a focus.
 
weldingmachine said:
End the war on drugs & 90% of their budget will be freed up.
They are supposed to be a rescue squad, not a policing agency...
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Actually, you have your facts screwed up. While they are a "rescue squad", and "ATON" squad, a research squad, one of their core missions has always been law enforcement. Did you know that an appropriately trained & certified E-4 and up is the equivalent to a US Marshal within the CG's jurisdiction? Do you know WHY the CG's predecessor (The US Revenue Cutter Service) was created? To protect commerce and prosecute smugglers and tariff avoidance.

I just don't agree with the style of law enforcement they do now. I was a SAR specialist and a LE specialist, but I loved doing SAR WAAAAAAY more, it was fulfilling.

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ISOTOX said:
They may be better off if rolled into the Navy...DHS is doing them no favors. Get them back into there core business. If I were in need there would be no one better I would rely on.
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There is always going to be some law enforcement role with the CG. However, if they split the LEDETS and MSSTs off to the Navy, I wouldn't be sad. The DHS has been a CF from the beginning.
 
Supermoto said:
Meh. Just roll the CG duties into the navy and be done with them
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Do you know what the CG's actual duties are?

https://www.gocoastguard.com/about-the-coast-guard/discover-our-roles-missions

Which ones do you think the Navy can do?

If you give a DoD service law enforcement abilities within the US waterways (including rivers and tributaries), you have now violated Posse Comitatus Act.
Do you think the Navy is going to service the thousands of Aids to Navigation buoys, lighthouses, spires and dayboards across the country?
Do you think they are going to do Marine Safety Operations in Houma, LA or some other such back water berg?
Currently the Navy has zero Ice Breakers. Not even inshore icebreakers.....
I think over horizon drug interdiction within the EEZ is a definite, with CG LEDET trained members conducting the sorties aboard naval vessels. Wait, they already do that.....

I have to ask, don't you think the navy has enough to do right now?

Elaborate please.

Port & Waterway Security
Drug Interdiction
Aids to Navigation
Search & Rescue
Living Marine Resources
Marine Safety
Defense Readiness
Migrant Interdiction
Marine Environmental Protection
Ice Operations
Law Enforcement
 
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Doing away with the USCG would be a huge mistake.
Roll them into the USN? Two totally different command structures. It would screw both of them.
 
CoastieRon said:
Do you know what the CG's actual duties are?

https://www.gocoastguard.com/about-the-coast-guard/discover-our-roles-missions

Which ones do you think the Navy can do?

If you give a DoD service law enforcement abilities within the US waterways (including rivers and tributaries), you have now violated Posse Comitatus Act.
Do you think the Navy is going to service the thousands of Aids to Navigation buoys, lighthouses, spires and dayboards across the country?
Do you think they are going to do Marine Safety Operations in Houma, LA or some other such back water berg?
Currently the Navy has zero Ice Breakers. Not even inshore icebreakers.....
I think over horizon drug interdiction within the EEZ is a definite, with CG LEDET trained members conducting the sorties aboard naval vessels. Wait, they already do that.....

I have to ask, don't you think the navy has enough to do right now?

Elaborate please.

Port & Waterway Security
Drug Interdiction
Aids to Navigation
Search & Rescue
Living Marine Resources
Marine Safety
Defense Readiness
Migrant Interdiction
Marine Environmental Protection
Ice Operations
Law Enforcement
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Based on this "The CG can board ANY vessel. Without probable cause." we should get rid of them all together.
 

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