Practicing for RI qualification

[majspud]

For a RI LTC you have to qualify; welcome to the new era. In an odd twist, you have to qualify with at least the caliber you want to carry. Qualify with a .45, you can use a .44 Magnum. Qualify with a .357 Magnum, you can't carry a .44, .45, or Desert Eagle - but who does. Qualification is on the military L pistol target at 25 yards. Normally I shoot 2/3 this distance with smaller calibers, so a test run was in order. Ammo was standard Winchester White Box; 230gr at 835fps and 356ft/lbs kinetic energy.

Conditions weren't the best; 76F, very humid, drizzle, breezy. I had got back to the car before the full rain started. I made up my own targets with a 100% scale center, and approximate rings drawn with a sharpie and a thumbtack. Seven practice rounds with the M11, and 12 with the M17. Not an excuse, but I wasn't at my best as I fell down the basement stairs last night. You get 30 rounds; maximum score 300, passing is 190, bullseye measures five inches in diameter.

Shot the M17 first; first six DA (high left), the rest SA. Revolver shot high...I also forgot my multiplication tables, using six moons and not five. Score 255, eight-black, and four-X. Even if you subtract six black, I passed.

The M11 shot low. Scored a 220 with seven black and three-X. Might have done better, but I was really tired at this point and in pain from my fall. All things being equal, I think I prefer the M17...sights are a little better, and the process a little more deliberate. A second round, I think, is in order.

t

 

[daekken]

It seems a little silly to have this requirement. I wonder if you can "cheat" and take it with an "open gun." Like, bring a 45 acp with a red dot, compensator, etc.

I never bothered to look at the rules since I've only been to RI twice.
Sounds like you're on your way with the M17 and hope you feel better after the fall.

 

[Scotia902]

Do you have to shoot open sight or could you use a RMR ?

 

[majspud]

RMR? I assume open sights.

t

 

[BarnBuilder]

Open sights are required

 

[daekken]

RMR? I assume open sights.

t

Ruggedized Miniature Reflex. Think a red dot mounted to a pistol, often on the slide of a semi-auto.

 

[IPSC_DRL]

The target is huge and the test is pretty easy to pass.

A fairly well known firearms attorney and former member here borrowed my 500 S&W for his.

 

[Arto]

Do the chief's have to meet this requirement before they shine their light upon the citizenry?

 

[Deleted member 12999]

Do the chief's have to meet this requirement before they shine their light upon the citizenry?

THISSSS

I'd be shocked if 25% of the RI police could do this with their job guns and duty ammo.

 

[majspud]

Having had practice, I made a third target and will try again tomorrow with the M17 if it isn't raining too hard. Will also try out my new M13 Sauer.

t

 

[n1bsbri]

Open sights are required

Cite please?

 

[Mountain]

Nice work, T.

Are you getting a non-res RI permit, or did you move there? Thought you were still in Mass...

Hope you are feeling better and be careful.

 

[Len-2A Training]

Open sights are required

I've qualified a few folks for the RI NR license and don't remember seeing any such requirement and I used the RI law as my info for running the qualification.

 

[majspud]

I now live near the RI border and it’s a pain having to modify my route when I’m carrying.

t

 

[Rob Boudrie]

I now live near the RI border and it’s a pain having to modify my route when I’m carrying.

If you are driving through RI, have a MA LTC, and no intent to detain our delay yourself in RI you are good to go without a RI permit.

And no, I do not know how one detains himself.

 

[milktree]

Who conducts the test?

Nevermind... I actually knew the answer to this already and completely forgot. I looked into it for a friend four years ago, and forgot.

The answer for those who have also forgotten: Any NRA instructor can administer the test. (so, I can do it. Yeesh!)

 

[majspud]

If you are driving through RI, have a MA LTC, and no intent to detain our delay yourself in RI you are good to go without a RI permit.

And no, I do not know how one detains himself.

Does detaining yourself include stopping for a restroom?

t

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Does detaining yourself include stopping for a restroom?

Only if the stall door is locked from the outside .

Actually this falls into the "danged if I know" category.

 

[daekken]

No idea on their legality in RI, but imagine using an AK pistol. "I can carry 7.62x39 and smaller."

ETA: actually, how about an obrez


7.62x54R makes a good carry choice.

 

[AHM]

And no, I do not know how one detains himself.

Come on, Rob.
Do you even Intarweb?

Spoiler

You ask yourself,
"Self, am I being detained?",
and respond in the affirmative.

 

[majspud]

Probably has a kick...

t

 

[Len-2A Training]

Does detaining yourself include stopping for a restroom?

t

I don't know either. Same answer wrt stopping for gas, etc.

 

[bandaid bandit]

Hmm. If I take the test with a Shockwave and slugs, I’d be good to go, right....

 

[EddieZoom]

So who actually tracks this stuff...is your approved caliber stamped on your LTC in RI ?

Officer says, "ok sir I see you have a valid LTC but that four-tay under your jacket is a big boy gun, and you qualified with a girly 9mm"

No way anybody is paying attention to that nonsense....

 

[mac1911]

Sometimes you need to look at things with some numbers behind it. This can take the some of the pressure off passing test. If someone asked you if you can shoot 50moa groups what would you say?

MOA at 25 yards is .26175" if you can keep all your shots inside the 7 you cant fail , thats 15" or 57.3 MOA!
The L target is for 25 yards slow fire and 15 yards rapid fire.

 

[n1bsbri]

So who actually tracks this stuff...is your approved caliber stamped on your LTC in RI ?

Officer says, "ok sir I see you have a valid LTC but that four-tay under your jacket is a big boy gun, and you qualified with a girly 9mm"

No way anybody is paying attention to that nonsense....

The caliber is indicated on the permit, but you're right, nobody is going to distinguish 9mm vs 357 magnum or 10mm vs fo-tay. Most people try to qualify with .45, but lately I think a lot more are going with 9mm.

 

[majspud]

Tried again today. Nice to know I can still do OK, even when I don’t have “IT”. 61F, rain, breezy. This time I could count to 30. Did better on my practice target. Shot a 209 with one X and another four tens. Guess I’m ready to go.

Took the big Flemish Giant shopping today for a harness and lead so she can hop around the yard. If I was single, this would be a great way to pick up women . Every woman in the store came up to me wanting to talk and pat the rabbit. Had two clerks spend a half hour testing three until we found the right size. Rabbit was very compliant .

t

 

[RImike]

It seems a little silly to have this requirement. I wonder if you can "cheat" and take it with an "open gun." Like, bring a 45 acp with a red dot, compensator, etc.

I never bothered to look at the rules since I've only been to RI twice.
Sounds like you're on your way with the M17 and hope you feel better after the fall.

It's not cheating if the law allows for it... and yes, it's wise to use a 1911.

 

[RImike]

Hmm. If I take the test with a Shockwave and slugs, I’d be good to go, right....

If it's a pistol then yes.

 

[majspud]

If there is a "4" on the actual target, then I actually had a 217.

t