lowbuckbob
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Today on the news they said the "patrol rifle" was an M4! MSP leaves M4's in cruisers overnight? Probably not a good idea...
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Friend is MSPToday on the news they said the "patrol rifle" was an M4! MSP leaves M4's in cruisers overnight? Probably not a good idea...
One more piece of paper isn't the real issue, they're more concerned with the leftist city and town folk screaming about machineguns, it throws a monkey wrench into their virtue signaling.
1) staties cover large territories and often don’t start or end their shifts at the barracks. It’s a very different patrol than a local officer in Burlington.So....As a citizen that pays for the cops' equipment....why do staties take their cruisers (and apparently other toys) home? This means that we need to pay for 3x (Actually probably more, to cover breakdowns) the number of cars that we "should".
Seriously.
I’m curious how they got the tip to look inside another police cruiser to look for the lost AR15. Why not search the cities and assume a hoodlum from the street broke in the car?The department-issued patrol rifle was secured in a mount inside a cruiser that was parked at a residential complex in the city, according to state police.
I think you’re misreading. I read this as two events.I’m curious how they got the tip to look inside another police cruiser to look for the lost AR15. Why not search the cities and assume a hoodlum from the street broke in the car?
I’m not buying the story that a police AR15 was located and stolen from a locked police cruiser, and was magically found secured in another police cruiser and The End.
I think you’re misreading. I read this as two events.
1 - rifle stolen drom car in complex
2 - rifle found in. Boston - no further details supplied
Patrol rifle, ammo stolen from state police cruiser in Malden - Boston News, Weather, Sports | WHDH 7News
MALDEN, MASS. (WHDH) - An investigation continued in Malden Thursday after state police said a patrol rifle was stolen out of a state police cruiser<a class="excerpt-read-more" href="https://whdh.com/news/patrol-rifle-ammo-stolen-from-state-police-cruiser-in-malden/">Read More</a>whdh.com
5) It makes it easier for state troopers to radio in for their shift and then go back into their house1) staties cover large territories and often don’t start or end their shifts at the barracks. It’s a very different patrol than a local officer in Burlington.
2) the statie may need to respond at off hours and he can do so directly with a take home cruiser. Response would be slower if he had to go to the barracks first.
3) take home cruisers last a lot longer than shared cruisers because the trooper takes care of his unit instead of beating the poo out of it.
4) take home cruisers are common for rural jurisdictions, very rare for urban suburban (besides chief and detectives).
Cops f***ing off on their shift rather than working is not new and not limited to those with takehome cruisers.5) It makes it easier for state troopers to radio in for their shift and then go back into their house
Yes but screwing off and not working while at home is so much more convenient than finding a parking lot to nap in.Cops f***ing off on their shift rather than working is not new and not limited to those with takehome cruisers.
5) It makes it easier for state troopers to radio in for their shift and then go back into their house
MSP cruisers now have GPS locaters on them. They aren’t hanging out at home during their shift.Yes but screwing off and not working while at home is so much more convenient than finding a parking lot to nap in.
What does "under the control of" mean?General Law - Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140, Section 131L
malegislature.gov
Section 131L: Weapons stored or kept by owner; inoperable by any person other than owner or lawfully authorized user; punishment
Section 131L. (a) It shall be unlawful to store or keep any firearm, rifle or shotgun including, but not limited to, large capacity weapons, or machine gun in any place unless such weapon is secured in a locked container or equipped with a tamper-resistant mechanical lock or other safety device, properly engaged so as to render such weapon inoperable by any person other than the owner or other lawfully authorized user. It shall be unlawful to store or keep any stun gun in any place unless such weapon is secured in a locked container accessible only to the owner or other lawfully authorized user. For purposes of this section, such weapon shall not be deemed stored or kept if carried by or under the control of the owner or other lawfully authorized user.
(b) A violation of this section shall be punished, in the case of a firearm, rifle or shotgun that is not a large capacity weapon, by a fine of not less than $1000 nor more than $7,500 or by imprisonment for not more than 1.5 years or by both such fine and imprisonment and, in the case of a large capacity weapon or machine gun, by a fine of not less than $2,000 nor more than $15,000 or by imprisonment for not less than 1.5 years nor more than 12 years or by both such fine and imprisonment.
(c) A violation of this section shall be punished, in the case of a rifle or shotgun that is not a large capacity weapon and the weapon was stored or kept in a place where a person younger than 18 years of age who does not possess a valid firearm identification card issued under section 129B may have access without committing an unforeseeable trespass, by a fine of not less than $2,500 nor more than $15,000 or by imprisonment for not less than 1.5 years nor more than 12 years or by both such fine and imprisonment.
(d) A violation of this section shall be punished, in the case of a rifle or shotgun that is a large capacity weapon, firearm or machine gun that was stored or kept in a place where a person younger than 18 years of age may have access without committing an unforeseeable trespass, by a fine of not less than $10,000 nor more than $20,000 or by imprisonment for not less than 4 years nor more than 15 years or by both such fine and imprisonment.
(e) A violation of the provisions of this section shall be evidence of wanton or reckless conduct in any criminal or civil proceeding if a person under the age of 18 who was not a trespasser or was a foreseeable trespasser acquired access to a weapon, unless such person possessed a valid firearm identification card issued under section 129B and was permitted by law to possess such weapon, and such access results in the personal injury to or the death of any person.
(f) This section shall not apply to the storage or keeping of any firearm, rifle or shotgun with matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap or similar type of ignition system manufactured in or prior to the year 1899, or to any replica of any such firearm, rifle or shotgun if such replica is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition.
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but qualified immunity, y'all
I thought I saw one of those rifles shopping at the local Krispy Kreme.Don't be silly. It's a "patrol rifle". It will go on patrol. All by itself.
Frank
That’s never been well defined by the courts. On your person is definitely under your control. Beyond that is anyone’s guess.What does "under the control of" mean?
I thought I saw one of those rifles shopping at the local Krispy Kreme.
When the police are in possession of an AR, it's called a patrol rifle but when a civilian possesses an AR it's called an assault weapon. Same rifle, different name.Patrol rifle, ammo stolen from state police cruiser in Malden - Boston News, Weather, Sports | WHDH 7News
MALDEN, MASS. (WHDH) - An investigation continued in Malden Thursday after state police said a patrol rifle was stolen out of a state police cruiser<a class="excerpt-read-more" href="https://whdh.com/news/patrol-rifle-ammo-stolen-from-state-police-cruiser-in-malden/">Read More</a>whdh.com
Basically it means whatever they want it to mean in order to jam you up.That’s never been well defined by the courts. On your person is definitely under your control. Beyond that is anyone’s guess.
Have to be awake, too.That’s never been well defined by the courts. On your person is definitely under your control. Beyond that is anyone’s guess.
Well, he’s a cop so laws obviously don’t apply to him.General Law - Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140, Section 131L
malegislature.gov
Section 131L: Weapons stored or kept by owner; inoperable by any person other than owner or lawfully authorized user; punishment
Section 131L. (a) It shall be unlawful to store or keep any firearm, rifle or shotgun including, but not limited to, large capacity weapons, or machine gun in any place unless such weapon is secured in a locked container or equipped with a tamper-resistant mechanical lock or other safety device, properly engaged so as to render such weapon inoperable by any person other than the owner or other lawfully authorized user. It shall be unlawful to store or keep any stun gun in any place unless such weapon is secured in a locked container accessible only to the owner or other lawfully authorized user. For purposes of this section, such weapon shall not be deemed stored or kept if carried by or under the control of the owner or other lawfully authorized user.
(b) A violation of this section shall be punished, in the case of a firearm, rifle or shotgun that is not a large capacity weapon, by a fine of not less than $1000 nor more than $7,500 or by imprisonment for not more than 1.5 years or by both such fine and imprisonment and, in the case of a large capacity weapon or machine gun, by a fine of not less than $2,000 nor more than $15,000 or by imprisonment for not less than 1.5 years nor more than 12 years or by both such fine and imprisonment.
(c) A violation of this section shall be punished, in the case of a rifle or shotgun that is not a large capacity weapon and the weapon was stored or kept in a place where a person younger than 18 years of age who does not possess a valid firearm identification card issued under section 129B may have access without committing an unforeseeable trespass, by a fine of not less than $2,500 nor more than $15,000 or by imprisonment for not less than 1.5 years nor more than 12 years or by both such fine and imprisonment.
(d) A violation of this section shall be punished, in the case of a rifle or shotgun that is a large capacity weapon, firearm or machine gun that was stored or kept in a place where a person younger than 18 years of age may have access without committing an unforeseeable trespass, by a fine of not less than $10,000 nor more than $20,000 or by imprisonment for not less than 4 years nor more than 15 years or by both such fine and imprisonment.
(e) A violation of the provisions of this section shall be evidence of wanton or reckless conduct in any criminal or civil proceeding if a person under the age of 18 who was not a trespasser or was a foreseeable trespasser acquired access to a weapon, unless such person possessed a valid firearm identification card issued under section 129B and was permitted by law to possess such weapon, and such access results in the personal injury to or the death of any person.
(f) This section shall not apply to the storage or keeping of any firearm, rifle or shotgun with matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap or similar type of ignition system manufactured in or prior to the year 1899, or to any replica of any such firearm, rifle or shotgun if such replica is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition.
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but qualified immunity, y'all