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Either sbr it or put a 16" barreled upper on it
If you can’t build it as a pistol and these two options are your only choices in Massachusetts, then go SBR. A 16 inch barrel will look retarded.
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Either sbr it or put a 16" barreled upper on it
The real problem with these is that since SBRs are "Firearms" in MA, I think they would need to be on the pistol list to be sold via FFL.
In MA law, we define rifle, shotgun, and firearm. The roster pertains to firearms, but not the other two. So a gun that doesn't meet the definition of rifle or shotgun must be on the EOPSS list.Not sure I understand that, rifles are firearms, and aren't on the list?
Not sure I understand that, rifles are firearms, and aren't on the list?
In MA law, we define rifle, shotgun, and firearm. The roster pertains to firearms, but not the other two. So a gun that doesn't meet the definition of rifle or shotgun must be on the EOPSS list.
Your comment about the CMR was really instructive. On looking at it, it seems that the EOPSS list applies (but not limited to?) handguns as we think of them.The definition of “firearm” varies wildly depending on where you look in MA law.
Your comment about the CMR was really instructive. On looking at it, it seems that the EOPSS list applies (but not limited to?) handguns as we think of them.
I feel like this is a case of "who wants to be the test case?" but I know that folks successfully build SBRs in the Commonwealth, so it obviously isn't impossible.
ETA: the only sensical way to go about getting an SBR in MA is to build it yourself.
In MA law, we define rifle, shotgun, and firearm. The roster pertains to firearms, but not the other two. So a gun that doesn't meet the definition of rifle or shotgun must be on the EOPSS list.
Your comment about the CMR was really instructive. On looking at it, it seems that the EOPSS list applies (but not limited to?) handguns as we think of them.
I feel like this is a case of "who wants to be the test case?" but I know that folks successfully build SBRs in the Commonwealth, so it obviously isn't impossible.
Welcome to the vague laws of Massachusetts. Let’s pass a law with no definition, that way we can do what we want. Oh and while we are at it, let’s pass laws for the untouchables with no defined penalties, that way they can’t be prosecuted.
Ah, so if you want to get an SBR, you'd have to buy the carbine version if there is one and convert it? (or find a clever dealer, of course)
I guess that doesn't apply to very many guns - Sig MCX, MPX, Scorpion etc.
That’s the part I don’t understand. 300BLK will outperform 9mm in every way possible.
PCCs just don’t make sense anymore, unless you’re skinflinting and buying a HiPoint.
Doesn’t 300blk cost (at least) twice as much as 9mm/rd though? And there’s the issue of prebans if you’re in MA.
I think atmay has it right. His arguments hold water. The PCC has the same weight and feel to it than the rifle caliber. All you are sacrificing is performance. Doesn't make sense, except for the cost of ammo. In a weapon, I always look for the best weight/capacity/performance ratio. That's why I personally prefer 9mm in my handguns and basically any rifle caliber for my long guns (within reason).
300BLK = $1.00
9mm = $0.17
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Doesn’t 300blk cost (at least) twice as much as 9mm/rd though? And there’s the issue of prebans if you’re in MA.
In Mass with no suppressors, I would not want to fire off a 5.56 or 300BLK with some loud muzzle brake in my own home. I have to double up ear pro when I shoot my BCM with the brake on it, and that's outdoors. Whole family will have permanent hearing damage, and who knows how effective you'll be once the first round blows your hearing. That's the appeal of a 9mm carbine/SBR to me.
Suppressor ban is my #1 reason to hate Mass.
Suppressor ban is my #1 reason to hate Mass.
Ok, so any stock will do.Either sbr it or put a 16" barreled upper on it
9MM out of any length barrel indoors will still destroy your hearing.
Yes, it’s quieter than 300BLK or 5.56, but not quiet enough that it won’t have the same basic effects.