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Newsweek: Weapons Porn
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The XM-25 is actually the 25mm grenade counterpart of the defunct OICW project. It is pretty cool. It has a 6 round magazine, and the grenades work in unison with a laser range finder, so you can program them to detonate in mid-air at a certain distance (say, right over a trench, or just through an open door).
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The Democrats needed the money for the Porkulus bill and the nationalization of the auto companies.
They're replacing the hummer? Those things are so badass though! I can't imagine this next one being pimped out with leather and shiny rims for suburbanites.
Despite the caption, the XM-25 does not use "radio controlled bullets"
This was the original proof of concept weapon for the 25mm in-barrel programmable air-burst granade. The weapon uses magnetic coils in the barrel to program a timing delay for the air-burst function. A laser range-finder plus a selector switch allows the user to detonate a granade at: Impact, -1m, Range, +1m
-1m ranging is intended for shooting at the intersection of a hallway. If engaging enemy soliders in a building, the weapon is set for -1m, which allows the user to aim at the far wall of an intersection and dentonate the granade just in the middle of the intersection to target enemies using the intersection for cover.
+1m ranging is intended for shooting through windows of buildings, causing the granade to explode inside the building after passing through a ranged window.
At Range is selected when shooting at soft-structures that might not provide enough resistance to trigger the impact trigger.
The launcher can also fire 25mm Kenetic Energy (read slug) rounds and 25mm Scatter (read buck-shot) rounds. There was (not sure of status) an underbarrel mount for the M4 in development which used the same 6-round magazines.
There is also a long barreled "Special Purpose Sniper Weapon System" with an XM-1## designation (don't have the designation here) which uses the same rounds out of a much longer barrel. That weapon is designed for upto 600m precision engagement using 25mm air burt granades.
The electroncis in the granade use a special piezo-electric power source which uses the acceleration in barrel to charge a capacitor and provide approximately 30 seconds of power for the timing and detonator circuits. As a result, unexploded granades contain explosives, but the detonators are unpowered. This is designed to minimize the threat of unexploded munisions in the battle field.
This was the original proof of concept weapon for the 25mm in-barrel programmable air-burst granade. The weapon uses magnetic coils in the barrel to program a timing delay for the air-burst function. A laser range-finder plus a selector switch allows the user to detonate a granade at: Impact, -1m, Range, +1m
-1m ranging is intended for shooting at the intersection of a hallway. If engaging enemy soliders in a building, the weapon is set for -1m, which allows the user to aim at the far wall of an intersection and dentonate the granade just in the middle of the intersection to target enemies using the intersection for cover.
+1m ranging is intended for shooting through windows of buildings, causing the granade to explode inside the building after passing through a ranged window.
At Range is selected when shooting at soft-structures that might not provide enough resistance to trigger the impact trigger.
The launcher can also fire 25mm Kenetic Energy (read slug) rounds and 25mm Scatter (read buck-shot) rounds. There was (not sure of status) an underbarrel mount for the M4 in development which used the same 6-round magazines.
There is also a long barreled "Special Purpose Sniper Weapon System" with an XM-1## designation (don't have the designation here) which uses the same rounds out of a much longer barrel. That weapon is designed for upto 600m precision engagement using 25mm air burt granades.
The electroncis in the granade use a special piezo-electric power source which uses the acceleration in barrel to charge a capacitor and provide approximately 30 seconds of power for the timing and detonator circuits. As a result, unexploded granades contain explosives, but the detonators are unpowered. This is designed to minimize the threat of unexploded munisions in the battle field.
Yes they are and no they're not.
The HUMMV was designed to be a thin-skinned vehicle. They uparmored it in response to the IEDs in Iraq, but that pretty much makes the vehicle overweight (with lots of maintenance problems), greatly limits its ability to go offroad, and still doesn't have enough resistance to IEDs. In response the military has purchased a boat-load of MRAPS of various sizes. They provide far more protection than the HUMMVs.
But the MRAPs aren't a direct replacement for the HUMMV. The HUMMV replacement is still in the works.
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No, the F-22 was not scrapped. The airplane is still being produced and still flying. The ObaMessiah made the decision to halt production at the current Program of Record, which funds just 187 of the aircraft. Last aircraft should roll off the line sometime in late 2010, IIRC. DoD plans had been to extend production to anywhere from 240-381 aircraft, but, as was stated above, we needed to fund Porkulus instead.We really scrapped the F-22? Seriously?
Wow. I guess UCAV's really are the future, huh.
Looks like a spray painted version of those ping-pong-ball guns...
You expected to make the noise those old toy guns made that run a small generator to generate a spark when you pull the trigger...
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Yes, we are so vastly superior that there is no chance of a mechanized attack on the US, ever. We can stop all advanced fighter jet, sub and battleship development...ah, gotcha. thank you for the clarification!![[smile]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/001.gif "Smile [smile]")
Not only that, but with all the treaties and global circle jerking going on, there's no chance of another war, ever - just insurgencies...
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Those who do no learn from history are doomed to repeat it... This particular history was the global pacifism that followed WWI ("The war to end all wars")
Oh well, I tried...
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Looks like a spray painted version of those ping-pong-ball guns...
You expected to make the noise those old toy guns made that run a small generator to generate a spark when you pull the trigger...
I was thinking super-soaker.
I know the dang thing looks funny, composite body w/ digi-camo surface, but it is a sweet weapon.
6-round, Detachable Magazine fed, semi-automatic 25mm (hair under 1") granade launcher with shot-gun capabilities. Munitions are intended to include: Smoke, Marker (paint), High Explosive/Concussion, Anti-Personal Fragmentation, Anti-Armor High-Explosve, Kenetic Energy, Shot and Breaching grounds.
The idea of the original project was to outfit every infantryman with a combination 5.56x45mm KE weapon plus 25mm granade launcher. Some beautiful designs we developed. My personal favorate was HK's design which placed the 25mm barrel in-line with the stock and mounted a modular short barreled 5.56x45mm KE weapon as an under barrel attachment.
The 25mm granades have about half the explosive payload of the old 40mm granades (improvements in explosives) but can direct fire to 150-200m rather than the 40m direct fire range of the old single shot, break-action 40mm launcher.
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Yes, we are so vastly superior that there is no chance of a mechanized attack on the US, ever. We can stop all advanced fighter jet, sub and battleship development...
Not only that, but with all the treaties and global circle jerking going on, there's no chance of another war, ever - just insurgencies...
Those who do no learn from history are doomed to repeat it... This particular history was the global pacifism that followed WWI ("The war to end all wars")
And, based off my connection within the military defense industry, it was the right move. There's a pretty good fleet of them out there now.
"We'll see" -Zen Master
Might be the right move for the wrong reason - the real issue is whether in the future, we are able to look forward to resume such development and how much time/information/expertise is lost in the mean-time relative to as yet unidentified aggressors (though we can draw up a list of likely potentials
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Halting production of the F-22 is one of the decisions made by the current administration that I think actually make sense. Besides, no one (DOD, Pentago or the White House) wanted it.
Why do we need the F-22? It's a air-to-air combat aircraft. Who are we going to fight? No one has an airforce anymore. There are no more superpowers. Russia, China, Iran, North Korea - no one has an aircraft that can even begin to match the F-22. IIRC, the last tests gave it a 108 to zero kill ratio against the nearest foreign competitor.
So why spend BILLIONS of dollars on a weapons system developed to fight an enemy that doesn't exist? That's the definition of PORK right there (and the only people who put up a fight were congressment from the districts where the plane was being built). Money should (and was, IIRC) redirected to programs we may actually need - the joint strike fighter, tankers, drones, etc.
Thanks for all the clarification on the XM-25, that was very informative. I also like the H&K design, it was a sweet weapon, albeit bulky. If I'm not mistaken, that's where the XM-8 rifle comes from, correct?
"We'll see" -Zen Master
Might be the right move for the wrong reason - the real issue is whether in the future, we are able to look forward to resume such development and how much time/information/expertise is lost in the mean-time relative to as yet unidentified aggressors (though we can draw up a list of likely potentials
Readiness is like insurance... the only way to know how much is enough, and what kinds are important is to need it, at which point you're stuck with whatever you had. If the next threat is some growing superpower, well, air superiority might be very important. If it turns out to be 250 million Chinese infantry, more A-10's and daisycutters might be more important.
I can't wait for China to attack.
William, I believe that is correct, though that platform takes on the more convensional design with the KE weapon being in direct line with the stock.
I saw an intereating show about a week ago that was talking about designated marksman in Iraq and Afganistan being issued AR-10 rifles with two seperate uppers. A 14" barreled upper with ACOG scope, quad-rail handguard and verticle handgrip, to look as similar as possible to their counter-part's M4s plus a 24" heavy barreled, flat-top upper with 10x Mil-dot optics and single (underbarrel) rail with bipod.
The goal was to allow DMs to blend in with their counter parts while getting into and out of position, but still having a true long-range weapon when necesary.
I love the idea of modular weapon systems that allow mission specific and/or role specific weapon systems to be assigned to each member of a team with as many common parts as practical. Even better if the system allows for easy conversion between standard ammunition.
I saw an intereating show about a week ago that was talking about designated marksman in Iraq and Afganistan being issued AR-10 rifles with two seperate uppers. A 14" barreled upper with ACOG scope, quad-rail handguard and verticle handgrip, to look as similar as possible to their counter-part's M4s plus a 24" heavy barreled, flat-top upper with 10x Mil-dot optics and single (underbarrel) rail with bipod.
The goal was to allow DMs to blend in with their counter parts while getting into and out of position, but still having a true long-range weapon when necesary.
I love the idea of modular weapon systems that allow mission specific and/or role specific weapon systems to be assigned to each member of a team with as many common parts as practical. Even better if the system allows for easy conversion between standard ammunition.
Actually, that should be one of our arguments for relaxing the gun-control laws. 450,000 US Military world wide. 32 Million US Gun Owners already armed and trained to use basic firearms. An armed citizendry is a countries greatest defense against an agressor.
There are nearly 100 armed US citizens for each member of the US military and the vast majority of them would take up arms against an aggressor.
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I agree on the condition that we use the money saved to build a few more F-35 Lighting II's. Those things are much more flexible and can be used for a very wide range of missions.
I agree on the condition that we use the money saved to build a few more F-35 Lighting II's. Those things are much more flexible and can be used for a very wide range of missions.
I'm still not sold on them. I don't care how reliable the engine is. Single engine = dead aviators.
"Swiss Army Plane"
I object on the basis of "right tool for the right job"
Bradly fighting vehicle of jets...
But hey, I might be wrong...
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