Massachusetts suing EPA over wood burning stoves

[Brian8146]

Mass. planning to sue EPA over wood-burning stove standards

Attorneys general from Massachusetts and 9 other states plan to sue the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

www.wcvb.com

Could someone please explain this?

 

[StevieP]

They want to put catalytic converters on wood stoves

 

[VetteGirlMA]

My pellet stove is something like 86% or 87% efficient. When it's burning there's only a brief puff of smoke when the stove starts a new burn cycle. Once it's going there's nothing to see. There's no smoke going out of the chimney, What does these people actually think? That they can force someone legally to violate the laws of thermodynamics with a judges order?

 

[safetyfirst2125]

Mass. planning to sue EPA over wood-burning stove standards

Attorneys general from Massachusetts and 9 other states plan to sue the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

www.wcvb.com

Could someone please explain this?

Wood stoves represent a heat source that can’t be regulated or shut off at a central office if your 2025 social credit score is too low or you’ve posted unsanctioned thoughts online.

They are also most likely used by rural customers, which vote the wrong way and should be punished.

Eventually wood burning will be illegal.

Just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out you get you.

— Anonymous

 

[Horatio_Alger_Jr]

Should we tell them about the fires in Canada?

 

[milktree]

They want to put catalytic converters on wood stoves

My pellet stove is something like 86% or 87% efficient. When it's burning there's only a brief puff of smoke when the stove starts a new burn cycle. Once it's going there's nothing to see. There's no smoke going out of the chimney, What does these people actually think? That they can force someone legally to violate the laws of thermodynamics with a judges order?

Did you read the article?

This isn’t about efficiency or thermodynamics or CO2 emissions, it’s about particulate emissions.

I’m guessing the states believe they don’t have the authority to regulate the sale of wood stoves on their own (which is weird, as several believe they can regulate guns unilaterally)

And they object to taxpayer money being used to subsidize new stoves that don’t actually solve the problem.

 

[Woodsloafer]

Wood stoves represent a heat source that can’t be regulated or shut off at a central office if your 2025 social credit score is too low or you’ve posted unsanctioned thoughts online.

They are also most likely used by rural customers, which vote the wrong way and should be punished.

Eventually wood burning will be illegal.

Just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out you get you.

— Anonymous

So wood smoke is OK as long as it isn't from Canadian wildfires?

 

[Brian8146]

So the govt. wants to ban the use of gas, oil and coal to heat our homes, now they want to control how wood is burned?

 

[safetyfirst2125]

So wood smoke is OK as long as it isn't from Canadian wildfires?


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Everything is ok in small amounts

 

[TLB]

Surprised Alaska is in on this BS.

 

[TLB]

So wood smoke is OK as long as it isn't from Canadian wildfires?


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I ran a late 2000s EPA rated wood burner for several years. Once you got it going, there was no visible smoke at all. There is certainly no comparison to a wildfire.

 

[pastera]

Mass. planning to sue EPA over wood-burning stove standards

Attorneys general from Massachusetts and 9 other states plan to sue the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

www.wcvb.com

Could someone please explain this?

They want to shut down the ability for anyone to be independent from the power grid.

 

[Toast]

Mass. planning to sue EPA over wood-burning stove standards

Attorneys general from Massachusetts and 9 other states plan to sue the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

www.wcvb.com

Could someone please explain this?

The state wants people to stop burning wood. While not coming straight out and saying it, they wish to accomplish it by having the EPA establish and enforce standards that will eliminate wood stoves.

This isn’t about efficiency or thermodynamics or CO2 emissions, it’s about particulate emissions.

I’m guessing the states believe they don’t have the authority to regulate the sale of wood stoves on their own (which is weird, as several believe they can regulate guns unilaterally)

Bless your heart.

The goal here is for the states to press for a set of grossly excessive standards in court and then have the EPA (which under Biden agrees with them but can't implement those rules on its own) agree to a court enforced settlement implementing said standards without having to go through the inconvenience of convincing any legislature to do so.

 

[EJFudd]

So the govt. wants to ban the use of gas, oil and coal to heat our homes, now they want to control how wood is burned?

They just can't leave us alone. They want to control us 100%. Nothing less will do.

 

[pastera]

I ran a late 2000s EPA rated wood burner for several years. Once you got it going, there was no visible smoke at all. There is certainly no comparison to a wildfire.

This
With <20% moisture wood my stove runs with zero visible smoke and no wood fire smell because the reburn tubes take care of the volatile.
Yes there are higher particulate emissions than fossil fuels but requires no power to keep my home from freezing or 250 watts for the fan will keep the furthest room at 65 in the winter.
And that capacity to be independent when oil goes to $4.25/gallon and just burn standing dead from my property.

 

[freddieMA]

you should probably enjoy the fireworks shows while you have them

 

[PioneerHD]

They want to put catalytic converters on wood stoves

The research I have done means this helps make a wood stove extremely efficient. It reclaims the heat and unburnt gasses and helps make the house heat up faster.

On the down side. You can't burn plastics or glossy paper. Because the catalytic converter is expensive.
Google regency triple burn or 3 stage burn

 

[PioneerHD]

They just can't leave us alone. They want to control us 100%. Nothing less will do.

Maybe We need a law to make it clear the government needs to stop F'ing with the citizens

 

[Woodsloafer]

I ran a late 2000s EPA rated wood burner for several years. Once you got it going, there was no visible smoke at all. There is certainly no comparison to a wildfire.

So having EPA rated wood stoves is good? I thought NES hated EPA rated stuff and government regulation?

 

[PioneerHD]

So the govt. wants to ban the use of gas, oil and coal to heat our homes, now they want to control how wood is burned?

We should be controlling every aspect of the governments lives. Every single minute of their pathetic lives

 

[Horatio_Alger_Jr]

They want to shut down the ability for anyone to be independent from the power grid.

This is the answer.

 

[PioneerHD]

These politicians should be wearing body cams 24/7 and 25 years in prison for turning them off.

 

[Asaltweapon]

you should probably enjoy the fireworks shows while you have them

as well as the flight you took for the holiday to get there.

If there is no visible smoke where do the particulates hide?
Will they be coming for our fire pits and smokers next?

 

[VTski4x4]

Next up in the NES classifieds - pre-ban assault stoves. Paging Reptile.

 

[milktree]

Bless your heart.

Er…. Screw you too?

This frequently means something like, “you naïve idiot” or something similarly unflattering. Was that your intention?

What exactly did I write that you object to?

 

[Woodsloafer]

Next up in the NES classifieds - pre-ban assault stoves. Paging Reptile.

Reptile has his buried somewhere already.

 

[AJK129]

Next up in the NES classifieds - pre-ban assault stoves. Paging Reptile.

I have some old ones lying around somewhere, might have to go bury them

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

Just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out you get you.

— Anonymous

Oh, I'm stealing this! Awesome quote!

 

[richc]

They want to shut down the ability for anyone to be independent from the power grid.

Spot on.

 

[Asaltweapon]

I have some old ones lying around somewhere, might have to go bury them

My former 1974 Defiant is currently living in use down in Wilmington MA.
Suck my smoke. Suckers.