Maine gets close to implementing 3 Day Wait Period and makes it illegal to do Paramilitary Training in the State

I can't find the picture I just saw, but ill describe it:

It was a picture of the capital with the usual suspects holding signs about banning guns. Two of them wore masks and wrote on their signs above the text "Artists for".

I'll take how to show you are mentally ill and unemployed in one picture.
 
BigAl23 said:
We were talking about this last night at our R&G Club and our President and another member who know Janet Mills said that she may veto the two bills. Sportsman Alliance of Maine (SAM) similar to GOAL is on it and has been pressuring Mills to veto the bills if it gets to her. Mills is not anti-gun.
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Just to be clear, part of this is a bill that the Governor filed. See the specifics below.

The governor's bill, approved early Thursday, would strengthen the state's yellow flag law, boost background checks for private sales of guns and make it a crime to recklessly sell a gun to someone who is prohibited from having guns. The bill also funds violence prevention initiatives and opens a mental health crisis receiving center in Lewiston.
 
glockforlife said:
Just to be clear, part of this is a bill that the Governor filed. See the specifics below.

The governor's bill, approved early Thursday, would strengthen the state's yellow flag law, boost background checks for private sales of guns and make it a crime to recklessly sell a gun to someone who is prohibited from having guns. The bill also funds violence prevention initiatives and opens a mental health crisis receiving center in Lewiston.
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Depends what it says, some of that seems huh? Such as "make it a crime to recklessly sell a gun to someone who is prohibited from having guns. "
 
Maine is getting more like Mass. every day. Been hunting and fishing there for over 50 years. You could see the anti's getting stronger for the past 20 years. Always filing bill's for anti bear hunting and trapping and now trying to change how coyotes can be hunted. My days of hunting and fishing is approaching the end. Our camp will be going up for sale next year and I have been selling off my rifles. I really enjoyed it and feel very sad for the younger generation.
 
track65 said:
Maine is getting more like Mass. every day. Been hunting and fishing there for over 50 years. You could see the anti's getting stronger for the past 20 years. Always filing bill's for anti bear hunting and trapping and now trying to change how coyotes can be hunted. My days of hunting and fishing is approaching the end. Our camp will be going up for sale next year and I have been selling off my rifles. I really enjoyed it and feel very sad for the younger generation.
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Sold my camp last year. Love Maine but f*** that place.
 
track65 said:
Maine is getting more like Mass. every day. Been hunting and fishing there for over 50 years. You could see the anti's getting stronger for the past 20 years. Always filing bill's for anti bear hunting and trapping and now trying to change how coyotes can be hunted. My days of hunting and fishing is approaching the end. Our camp will be going up for sale next year and I have been selling off my rifles. I really enjoyed it and feel very sad for the younger generation.
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My grandfather had a hunting fishing camp in northern Maine from the 60s-80s then sold it. Before my time.

My dad has had a hunting/skiing camp near Farmington since the early 80s. I was hoping to inherit or take it over once my dad is no longer capable, as a place to escape MA 😂. But I dunno now 🤪

My sister just moved to Maine about 2 years ago from MA and just recently bought her first AR and a bunch of ammo. I’ll have to let her know of this bullshit
 
lancecolonel said:
ironically, one of their biggest arguments was that 3 day waiting periods will prevent suicides.
call me heartless but i do not believe for one second that the state (any state) should enter the suicide prevention arena.
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Here’s the thing: waiting periods DO lower suicide attempts and “crimes of passion”

BUT – and this important part is always ignored by people who want to ban guns – only if the person doesn’t already own a gun, and the state doesn’t require a license to purchase a gun.

That is s very small overlap in the Venn diagram.

Nobody who already owns a gun buys a new gun to off themself or someone else.
 
So, when will Maine police start closing all the viper pits of paramilitary training- gun clubs? Feel free enough already, or are even more freedoms coming inbound?

Truly fascinating how ruling socialists address all what truly matters, to prevent any possibility for real opposition to them. While breeding and supporting their own paramilitary branches and structures.
 
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milktree said:
Here’s the thing: waiting periods DO lower suicide attempts and “crimes of passion”

BUT – and this important part is always ignored by people who want to ban guns – only if the person doesn’t already own a gun, and the state doesn’t require a license to purchase a gun.

That is s very small overlap in the Venn diagram.

Nobody who already owns a gun buys a new gun to off themself or someone else.
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I don't doubt it but for those really intent on killing themselves they always find a better way. I would think taking a bunch of pills and just going to sleep would be the best way to do it, but who knows.
 
milktree said:
Here’s the thing: waiting periods DO lower suicide attempts and “crimes of passion”

BUT – and this important part is always ignored by people who want to ban guns – only if the person doesn’t already own a gun, and the state doesn’t require a license to purchase a gun.

That is s very small overlap in the Venn diagram.

Nobody who already owns a gun buys a new gun to off themself or someone else.
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But waiting periods also do prevent domestic abuse victims from quickly procuring methods of defense that are agnostic to the physical force disparity of their abusers.

We all know restraining orders against actual threats to safety don’t do anything. And if someone just left their abuser, they need protection now, not in 3 days.

That makes the small piece of the Venn diagram even less “helpful”.
 
Broc said:
How many suicides are committed within the first day or 2 of purchasing a handgun?
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More than zero? I don't know. I'm not even sure what a useful unit might be.

But really, if someone is going to kill themself with a gun, they're doing to do it within hours of getting the gun, not days.

Small delays are effective. Large ones have almost zero added benefit, and as @PappyM3 rightly pointed out, a lot more than zero harm.

Rockrivr1 said:
I don't doubt it but for those really intent on killing themselves they always find a better way. I would think taking a bunch of pills and just going to sleep would be the best way to do it, but who knows.
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Oh, that's absolutely true. Anyone who really wants to do it, will. Guns are really effective though.

But there are lots of studies that show *small* delays sort out the ones who are going to do it no matter what from the ones who have an acute (as opposed to chronic) bout of suicidality.

A friend who's a social worker works in residential care, and she told me that in facilities where the residents are allowed to have knives, simply requiring them to be stored in the kitchen - which they have full 24/7 access to - rather than in their rooms, reduces self harm by some shocking percentage. Literally the delay of having to leave their room and go downstairs to the kitchen has a real measurable effect.

Interviews with people who jumped off The Golden Gate Bridge, but were caught by the nets, almost universally say they regretted jumping immediately after they started falling and rarely make a second attempt.
 
milktree said:
More than zero? I don't know. I'm not even sure what a useful unit might be.

But really, if someone is going to kill themself with a gun, they're doing to do it within hours of getting the gun, not days.
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You can't post what you posted without numbers to back it up.

They are restricting peoples right to save how many lives? ... 10, 15, 20, ...?

You know no one really cares about suicides. The "suicide" part is just an excuse, the same way they use "crime". Adults that want to end their lives will find a way.

Are small delays effective?
Would those people not kill themselves some other way?
How many lives are we talking about?
Should everyone's right be restricted?
 
milktree said:
Here’s the thing: waiting periods DO lower suicide attempts and “crimes of passion”

BUT – and this important part is always ignored by people who want to ban guns – only if the person doesn’t already own a gun, and the state doesn’t require a license to purchase a gun.

That is s very small overlap in the Venn diagram.

Nobody who already owns a gun buys a new gun to off themself or someone else.
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i do not believe the state needs to be in the business of preventing suicide. call me a sociopath, i don't care. i'm with the "my body my choice" crowd here.
maine also just expanded background checks so that domestic abuse victim who REALLY needs a gun for protection RIGHT NOW can no longer legally buy one private sale and have it right away.
this is nothing more than democrats refusing to waste the crisis because they know the vast majority of them are now "safe" in cd1. they would love to kill gun shows and put a financial dent in stores that vocally support 2a, like ktp. that was their goal here. if they really wanted to save lives they had enough tools already at their disposal to stop the lewiston maggot.
there is also the matter of potentially underhanded tactics used in the senate to pass the bill.....
www.themainewire.com

Maine Senate Passes 72-Hour Firearm Purchase Waiting Period Through Vote Pairing As Troy Jackson Denies Involvement - The Maine Wire

Maine’s senate approved a bill on Wednesday, the final day of the legislative session, which will require a 72-hour waiting period for anyone seeking to purchase a firearm. [RELATED: Maine House Approves Bill to Require 72-Hour Waiting Period on Firearm Purchases…] The bill only passed through...
www.themainewire.com www.themainewire.com
 
Broc said:
You can't post what you posted without numbers to back it up.

They are restricting peoples right to save how many lives? ... 10, 15, 20, ...?
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I'm not supporting waiting periods. Not even a little bit.

I'm just pointing out that in some small number of cases a waiting period can have a positive effect.

Pretending there are *ZERO* benefits is shitty rhetoric. Just like when they look ignorant by hand-waving away all the positive aspects of access to self defense tools, it makes us look ignorant when we do it.



Broc said:
You know no one really cares about suicides. The "suicide" part is just an excuse, the same way they use "crime". Adults that want to end their lives will find a way.

Are small delays effective?
Would those people not kill themselves some other way?
How many lives are we talking about?
Should everyone's right be restricted?
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Right, we agree. The answers as I understand it:
- Sometimes
- Maybe
- Nobody knows (as far as I know, the data doesn't exist, but I haven't gone down any rabbit holes about it)
- No.
 
lancecolonel said:
i do not believe the state needs to be in the business of preventing suicide. call me a sociopath, i don't care. i'm with the "my body my choice" crowd here.
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Are you consistent about that when it comes to gender re-assignment surgery? Many here aren't. (I haven't been keeping track of individuals)

In general, I agree with you. But there is a public good to reducing suicide. I think the way to do it involves policies/programs that reduce the desire, not ones that restrict tools that are sometimes used for it.

lancecolonel said:
maine also just expanded background checks so that domestic abuse victim who REALLY needs a gun for protection RIGHT NOW can no longer legally buy one private sale and have it right away.
this is nothing more than democrats refusing to waste the crisis because they know the vast majority of them are now "safe" in cd1. they would love to kill gun shows and put a financial dent in stores that vocally support 2a, like ktp. that was their goal here. if they really wanted to save lives they had enough tools already at their disposal to stop the lewiston maggot.
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Yep. 100% agreement.
 
milktree said:
Are you consistent about that when it comes to gender re-assignment surgery? Many here aren't. (I haven't been keeping track of individuals)
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curious as to why you chose to ask me about that specific "issue"? imho, you just compared apples to dump trucks.
for the record: i am not ok with government attempting to sanction any activity a consenting adult chooses to participate in.
 
lancecolonel said:
curious as to why you chose to ask me about that specific "issue"? imho, you just compared apples to dump trucks.
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I didn't mean to single you out. I mean, I did quote you and ask you, but I didn't mean it like a "gotcha" question to you, specifically. It was intended to be a rhetorical question for anyone reading it.

I've noticed (in general on NES, not you specifically) that there's a lot of "my body, my choice" when it comes to guns and vaccines, and a whole lot less of it when it comes to abortion and gender affirming stuff.

Specifically in this case, (these cases?) there are many, or at least a very vocal group, who are 100% confident that gender reasignment stuff is bad and should be legally prevented, because you can't change your mind later. Same can be applied to abortion. But suicide is a really, really permanent thing, nobody gets to change their mind about that. That's why it's not apples and dump trucks.

So, if we believe that you should be able to do whatever you want to your own body, we can't limit it to just things that further our personal agenda.

Again, I'm not talking about YOU. This was just an opportunity to point out this hypocrisy I've observed.

'course, because I'm not keeping track of individuals, it's possible that I'm conflating two groups that don't actually have any overlap.

lancecolonel said:
for the record: i am not ok with government attempting to sanction any activity a consenting adult chooses to participate in.
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I believe you. I hope you don't think I implied otherwise. If it came across that way, I'm sorry.
 
milktree said:
Here’s the thing: waiting periods DO lower suicide attempts and “crimes of passion”

BUT – and this important part is always ignored by people who want to ban guns – only if the person doesn’t already own a gun, and the state doesn’t require a license to purchase a gun.

That is s very small overlap in the Venn diagram.

Nobody who already owns a gun buys a new gun to off themself or someone else.
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no shit, for the 209720398420398th time, the laws are NOT about crime/prevention - they are about DISARMORMENT
 
milktree said:
More than zero? I don't know. I'm not even sure what a useful unit might be.

But really, if someone is going to kill themself with a gun, they're doing to do it within hours of getting the gun, not days.

Small delays are effective. Large ones have almost zero added benefit, and as @PappyM3 rightly pointed out, a lot more than zero harm.



Oh, that's absolutely true. Anyone who really wants to do it, will. Guns are really effective though.

But there are lots of studies that show *small* delays sort out the ones who are going to do it no matter what from the ones who have an acute (as opposed to chronic) bout of suicidality.

A friend who's a social worker works in residential care, and she told me that in facilities where the residents are allowed to have knives, simply requiring them to be stored in the kitchen - which they have full 24/7 access to - rather than in their rooms, reduces self harm by some shocking percentage. Literally the delay of having to leave their room and go downstairs to the kitchen has a real measurable effect.

Interviews with people who jumped off The Golden Gate Bridge, but were caught by the nets, almost universally say they regretted jumping immediately after they started falling and rarely make a second attempt.
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Well right there you’re outed, you’ve got a friend who is a social worker…… those a**h***s are the socialist in social worker !
 

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