Same goes for Title 2 firearms or is that another animal in itself?
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LTC holder uses gun for self defense in Quincy, has LTC/gun(s) seized.
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That shit there is British Colonies type robbery
That's why I carry a revolver
Hmm is this the key to avoiding confiscation? What I want to know is how long before they confiscate (or attempt) your arsenal after a home defense/self defense shooting?
I thought if you're ordered to surrender that's that. This thread has me all confused.
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If I am reading the Quincy PD post correctly, the shooter was NOT arrested and charged with any crime, but his LTC was confiscated (and hence any and all guns that he owns are to be seized). Is this the standard procedure in MA in the aftermath of any type of shooting in which no charges are filed? If so, how can they get away with depriving somebody's constitutional right without due process?
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Lets run away together.
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I'm with Jay, what time frame do you get to call your dealer or friend to transfer/drop off the letter to the police? Or is it just a case by case/luck of the draw?
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I believe I've read in previous threads that "having a licensed friend hold them" wasn't good enough. Had to be legally transferred. I.e. to or by an ffl. Now, it may differ depending on why the PD are confiscating guns. DGU? 209a/domestic sitch, mental deficiency? Other? Can you eFA10 them in this situation? Probably not if they have your ltc.
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Today at work I had the absolute joy of getting to give a notice of LTC suspension to a Canton resident. Because he came to my office with another MA LTC holder, I handed his Glock 43 to the licensed friend, and then took his LTC. Assuming he pays his court fees, he will get his LTC back, and his G43.
Every PD is different
I'm not saying it was a good shoot, I'm saying that until they are actually going to charge him with something it's unreasonable to take all his guns away, and take his LTC (From my reading they weren't the licensing authority and had to call the other one to inform therefore the LTC isn't even revoked when they took it) before any kind of investigation.
I understand, even though I don't like it, that they would take the gun he was carrying as evidence but why jump the gun on the rest of them unless the plan from minute one is to let dowd steal his stuff as an extrajudicial punishment before even looking into what happened?
Christ on a Cruise Ship. 75 posts about nothing based upon an uncorroborated PD facebook post.
So far, there's nothing here. No one here has any idea about what's going to happen or what might happen.
So far, there's nothing here. No one here has any idea about what's going to happen or what might happen.
What the few remaining LE members here need to realize (not you GPP) is that even with a "clean shoot" the system is designed to be rife with abuse. You can tell yourself that all will be well in the end but the reality is once one enters the system there will be loss. Regardless of fault or victim status when it comes to guns...
I read what little of the story there is and a lot of the comments. If you are carrying a gun you certainly should not be initiating any road rage incidents. Additionally, whether you are carrying a gun or not if you are the target of an aggressor on the road, don't stop. Everyone today has a cell phone. And if you can afford a gun you can afford a cell phone. Call the police and give them as much information about the other driver or the car and location and just keep driving. Roll through red lights as safely as you can so you don't have top stop until the police catch up to you and the aggressor.
Anyway, I have no idea how this ended up in someone else's back yard or how it started and only a vague hint of why shots were fired. So I will wait for more information to pass
judgement. I hope the LTC guy comes out justified on this. But definitely need more info.
If you know the area well, just drive to the police station.....or a doughnut shop, whatever is closer...lol Just kidding about the doughnut shop....![[smile]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/001.gif "Smile [smile]")
Anyway, I have no idea how this ended up in someone else's back yard or how it started and only a vague hint of why shots were fired. So I will wait for more information to pass
judgement. I hope the LTC guy comes out justified on this. But definitely need more info.
If you know the area well, just drive to the police station.....or a doughnut shop, whatever is closer...lol Just kidding about the doughnut shop....
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This particular case came from a motor vehicle crash where the LTC holder was uninsured. Because that is a criminal charge as opposed to a civil one, he was summonsed in to court (after missing the clerks hearing that was initially set up). His arraignment was on the 21st (he thought it was the 31st) and he did not show up. A default warrant was issued yesterday (22cnd), and my PD was notified of that by the FRB, and that began the rest of the mess.
We contacted him, advised him of what was going on, and he hustled up to Stoughton District, saw the judge, received a disposition for the case ( dismissed with $200 court costs), and a recall warrant. When he pays the $200, he will come out of the penalty box after feeling shame, and get his LTC.
If youre charged criminally in MA, your LTC licensing authority will be notified automatically, oddly enough, its one of those systems within MA government that works flawlessly lol, I cant understand why.
Depending on the severity of those charges, your licensing authority will act accordingly.
We contacted him, advised him of what was going on, and he hustled up to Stoughton District, saw the judge, received a disposition for the case ( dismissed with $200 court costs), and a recall warrant. When he pays the $200, he will come out of the penalty box after feeling shame, and get his LTC.
If youre charged criminally in MA, your LTC licensing authority will be notified automatically, oddly enough, its one of those systems within MA government that works flawlessly lol, I cant understand why.
Depending on the severity of those charges, your licensing authority will act accordingly.
the real mistake was stopping...should have driven right to the police station parking lot
Id say it was designed with discretion in mind, and the discretion is what gets abused. Obviously thats just as a shitty sammich to eat as some all encompassing seizure rules that could be on the books instead.
Completely valid point.
We know zero details here, but trying to articulate how you followed the duty to retreat doctrine in the aftermath of a road rage incident is probably going to be next to impossible.
i know the last place i'm going is home to endanger my family...calling the cops and asking for the location of the closest police station to drive to would have been my first move...or just driving to one that i know where it is as long as i have fuel...the problem is obeying the driving laws while in town on the way to the station...what's stopping that guy from getting out of his car at a stop light?...would have to take a right or blow through the light
no...getting t-boned by an oncoming vehicle while i'm blowing a red light is what i'm worried about
