=drgrant;4262676]It's pretty disingenuous to conflate NH with MA in this regard. Despite these cases, you still have to **** up pretty badly to get denied this way in NH. The "bars" to be met are not even within 1000 feet of each other. Let's throw in the fact that if this guy was in MA, he wouldn't have any ownership rights at all. He'd be shit out of luck, or stuck with a worthless FID.
I find it absolutely amazing that people draw the conclusion that I was trying to conflate or otherwise compare MA with NH. I think I clearly pointed out that one can purchase and open carry firearms in NH. Everyone is quick to jump on the trigger and it is becoming sensitive issue especially to those who move there trying to escape MA, but the simple fact is this: NH is not a "shall issue" state with regard to the granting of CCW (P&R) licenses. There appears to be an almost hypersensitivity to the issue. Let's take Massachusetts out of the equation for a moment, let's pretend that Massachusetts is 2,000 miles away from NH and get rid of the absolutely stupid "My state is better than your state" and look at it only in the context of the geographical/demographical entity of itself:
Fact 1: CCW May Issue, not shall issue.
Fact 2: 2 Representatives Both Democrats, 1 Democratic Senator, Governor of NH is a Democrat
Fact 3. NH has voted Democratic in the last three Presidential Elections
It is only in the State Legislature (which like MA styles itself officially as "The General Court") that we see a Republican Majority in both houses. It is also noteworthy that like many states NH does not pay its legislatures a full time salary which in and of itself is unremarkable.
It gets both tiresome and irksome to have these boastful people who come on NES who extol the virtues of NH without comprehending the political reality of their changing demographics. No, New Hampshire is not Massachusetts, never will be, just like Massachusetts will never be New Hampshire. But people who have lived here all their lives can tend to fall into a sort of myopic provincialism because they only see the two states in such dramatic contrast.
The fact as I see it, is the more populous and hence more influential center of New Hampshire, the southern sector is changing and is becoming more blue and I think if present trends continue, will exert more of a liberal influence on the state. The north, and center portions of the state will see more independent minded people, but it's not going to be the way it was, and there are going to be changes. The time may come when NH residents will pay income tax, have stricter gun control laws, and actually have to wear seat belts. It may not happen now, or ten years from now, but I rather imagine it will come as the influx of out of staters will continue to arrive across the border. The irony is that people move to get away from where they were, but want to make where they come just like where they were. Think not? Look at Pima County, Arizona (Tucson) or Montana with its influx of Southern Californians. Also too, Americans are fundamentally changing. Like it or not, they want their Social Security and their Medicare. We are also changing culturally and racially...the numbers support it. This leads to the next issue: Revolution.
I don't think it's that people here disagree with their mission, I just think that some of these groups act in basically "the most ass way possible". It's to the point where it makes you wonder if these people are actually plants by the government to have the net effect of keeping fence sitters away from dissenting. I don't wear that much tinfoil yet, but it does kind of make you wonder. There is an art to annoying the machine but not getting in trouble for it. Some of these FSP/FK types probably know exactly what I'm talking about, and they manage to not get themselves arrested, or upset anyone other than .gov officials. Of course I would bet that people like this guy argue that "getting arrested is a badge of honor" the problem is, "joe publik" sees it and just thinks the guy's retarded. Then by association they think he's just a loon toon and his whole "mission" is retarded.
-Mike
Many of you who talk about "Go Time" and vaguely allude to some kind of revolution aren't advocating revolution at all. You are advocating a reaction or return to a time of the past. A true revolution upends society from stem to stern and totally remakes its social, cultural and religious institutions. The first real revolution was in France. The Chinese had a revolution, the Russians had a revolution, the Americans had a Reaction, and the Civil War was a war for independence by the South but it really wasn't a revolution. In 1776 and 1861 the warring parties wanted essentially to maintain the status quo. There was nothing revolutionary about it. If the British had allowed representation in Parliament and the tariff issue had been resolved by the Congress favorably towards the South, there would have been no War of Independence or Civil War (save the cutesy comments about War of Northern Aggression etc., not funny or cute).
So what IMO, is the way out of this mess for folks like you and me: well it's both simultaneously simple and complex at the same time. Most of you probably can't hack a true revolution or a "Go Time" because you would have to deal with all kinds of unsavory folks whose values you don't share, and then you would have to purge them once the revolution was over, or they would purge you...it's that simple. The best you can hope for, is secession, a Third Civil War if you will where you can go with your kind, and your values and live in a world where you can reflect those values, but it will be a hard world, and probably not a very prosperous world, I'm thinking semi-agrarian, and no it won't be based on mutual cooperation or some kind of minanarchist kind of thing. Again IMO. You will be surrounded by all kinds of hostile states, some financed and controlled by the new world powers, I'll let your imaginations run wild in figuring out who will run the world in the next 50-75 years, but I think you know.
Now how long with this take? Good question, as little as 30 years and as long as 100 years, but in my heart and soul, I think it is coming, and that there is a historical inevitability to it. Read British historian Arnold Toynbee, read Gibbon...and yes even read Marx, bad social philosopher but not such a bad historian. YMMV...but who knows, who really knows?
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