This is where I’m struggling to understand your post and intent. The vagueness doesn’t help explain anything. “Where you come from...” tells us nothing as to your experience in such things. Are you former LEO? Military? Walmart SWAT Team watching for falling prices?
You can’t “teach” these things in a classroom. Sure you can teach laws and procedures and lessons learned, but not life and death immediate action drills or decisions. If you try you’re wasting your time. That’s akin to a new butter bar LT arriving in country and reading from his books while on patrol.
You’re purposely softening or downplaying the actions of the S/P in this case for some reason by stating he’s just an ‘angry and confused’ person with a ‘short blade’. That’s BS. He’s raging on meth, has already caused a multi-vehicle accident with possibly traumatic injuries to those in the vehicles or other pedestrians, and is either suicidal or homicidal and has clearly shown his intent to kill or be killed. That’s a fair step above angry and confused. I get angry and confused if I try to order a Starbucks instead of a normal coffee.
Getting “poked with a short blade” is also trying to excuse this guy and totally sugar coat it. A box cutter is absolutely deadly and goes through human flesh like a Light Saber. There’s a reason Drs use razors (scalpels) to do surgery.
“Pissing off civilians”? Have you read many of the threads around here? Looked outside your window lately? There is zero that you can do anymore that won’t piss somebody off. That doesn’t make them right, it just makes them pissed. Hell it could be raining unicorn pussy outside and someone would complain there’s not enough a**h***s mixed in. That’s just life and has to be removed from the equation when your life or someone else’s is at stake.
And you end all of your vagueness with “I don’t engage” or “pissing contest” by saying if others don’t agree they’ll be angry looking at themselves in the mirror. WTH does that mean? If they don’t agree then they’re idiots would be my understanding of that passive aggressive statement.
So I have to ask again, politely, exactly what training and experience do you have in these situations? Because it still reads like that would be Zero to 4 hrs of classroom safety briefing 30 yrs ago.
Thank you for the time to provide a thoughtful and concise opinion. I see your point and I will play.
My training is irrelevant as I didn't say "We at 101 A are trained in urban environment to not engage anybody without a firearm unless 7 yards or less" or anything of that nature. So for all intents and purposes and to maintain world peace consider my formal training to fall strictly into the "Zero to 4 hours of classroom safety 30 years ago".
What I did say is "I would not have engaged the target that far out" and I will add "Once the first hits landed I do not approve of some of actions". What I also said is that I am not qualified to judge a law enforcement actions as they are probably different than what I learned during my 0-4 hour classroom sting, but since there are sufficient artifacts (video, witnesses, etc.) I am positive that the truth whatever it is in this case will prevail.
Now, with that behind us, let me provide you with my take on the situation based on the original video.
1:31 - Attacker sees the pistol (I am not sure he was aware of it before that) and assumes the ghetto "come at me bro/sis" posture. Usually when somebody does that he has already decided not to attack and is looking for "now what- you going to shoot me?" demeanor which is the macho way to defuse the situation and emerge the "winner" of the predicament. In the Middle East this is the equivalent of spreading your arms and waiving them up and down while trying to show no weapons, but also a manly lack of fear. Generally after this in combination with a lot of verbal order shouting the situation defuses (or the guy pulls a Krink and SHTF or worse- the pin of his belt, but I digress). The short version is lack of effort by the attacker to avoid potential shots is indication of no desire to attack.
1:32- The officer fires her gun and the attacker goes down. If she is a decent shot at that distance the shots are effective, but adrenaline is still pumping so the attacker tries to get up. 3/4 of people that get shot in this situation will try to get up, but not to continue the conflict, but to return to some normality (ie you get up- all is ok and the pain will mysteriously disappear). Have you seen a tough kid get hurt? What does s/he do? After the faceplant they jump up all bloody and scream "I am ok!"... same mechanism applies here. Drugs only amplify the behavior.
1:36 more shots are fired as he is trying to get up. I can understand if she engages him at a longer distance that I would, but this right here is where the optics become bad- she simply executes him. Btw, my personal read on his body language suggests he is not going to get up as he is hurt already badly. If anything, give him couple seconds to see which way it goes and if gets up and starts running- shoot him again. At this point the attacker reaching the officer is very very unlikely either way. Shoot target again when down is only really prudent if you know or think there is body armor involved and you have the chance of hitting a body part that you know has no armor.
Again, this is my read of the situation and I shared it with the forum. I readily admitted that I might be wrong.
One more thing- my statement about preservation of life was not towards letting this guy live, but more towards the well- being of the officer. Once you kill somebody in the line of duty- this stays with your for the rest of your life with always negative consequences. You either get over it and become trigger happy, or you become trigger- averse. In both cases you have a high chance of becoming a liability the next time a decisive action is required.
... And my statement about hating yourself in the mirror was not directed to you
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