Fooped
Resident HK Guru
Hey folks,
I had written this in response to the "Remember the LA shootout" thread. Now I know that the troll has been vanquished, and good riddance to bad rubbish, but I spent a bunch of time on it (I got pulled away in the middle of writing it) and I'd like to see what you all think.
I'm not trying to cause any kind of issues by posting it (obviously the person who got the thread closed is banned, and the rest of us are good people who can have an intelligent discussion without name-calling and other rude behavior).
In writing it, I gave the OP the beneift of the doubt as far as his shooting skills were concerned (In reading the whole thread, I realize now that perhaps I shouldn't have), but here it is in it's original format, and please feel free to comment/correct.![[smile]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/001.gif "Smile [smile]")
This is ridiculous. I'd like to see the OP hit a pie plate at 50 yards with a sidearm, PERIOD.
Mind you, I'm not saying that it can't be done, much to the contrary. But I've also been to the range with A LOT of shooters that can't hit a piece of plate steel at 50 feet, let alone 50 meters. (Present NES’ers excluded of course)
Now, I don't know the OP, haven't seen him shoot, and don't know anything about his skill level with a pistol (or any other firearm for that matter). However, in my years of experience, I've seen lots of guys that can't hit the ground with a pistol under normal relaxed shooting conditions, so I'd need to see him do it first.
That would establish a baseline. Now let's make it FAR MORE DIFFICULT;
Let's have that pie plate moving, and I don't just mean moving in one direction, I mean changing levels, angles and distances in a completely erratic and unpredictable manner. Now let's paint it flat black (the bad guys were wearing black masks) in front of front of like-colored objects from time to time and then back to bright colored surfaces, changing the depth perception and contrast of your sight picture and overall view of the target.
STILL THINK YOU CAN HIT IT?
But wait there's more!
Now lets add an OBSCENE amount of incoming rifle fire, fully automatic rifle fire to boot. I don't know about you, but even with Military experience and a fair amount of combat training courses and simulations, I've never come under FA rifle fire before.
The officers involved knew that just one of those incoming rounds could wipe them out. We're not talking about some piddly 9mm round here (not that I'd want to catch one of those), but 7.62x39 and .308. I make the very safe assumption that as brave as those officers were (and still are), they were mindful of the extraordinary amount of danger they were in, and took cover first and foremost.
This would most certainly affect the officer's ability to get a clear "head shot" on the target.
NOW LET'S MAKE IT EVEN MORE DIFFICULT:
There are wounded officers and civilians in the vicinity. The remaining officers are seeing first hand what may very well happen to them at any moment. I don't care who you are; that's going to scare the shit out of you. Period. This is going to further affect the officer's ability to acquire their target(s).
BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE!
Now let's introduce noise. Lots and lots of noise! Full and semi-auto gunfire (and piles of it at that), people screaming, law enforcement shouting commands, and all the general cacophony that ensues during a combat situation.
So in closing....
"All the officers had to do" was:
Hit a small, difficult to see, fast and erratic moving pie plate that was sending gobs of full-auto rifle fire at them at approximately 150 feet away while being confused, terrified, distracted and potentially wounded (in most cases severely)....
With a 9mm pistol.
I rest my case.
I had written this in response to the "Remember the LA shootout" thread. Now I know that the troll has been vanquished, and good riddance to bad rubbish, but I spent a bunch of time on it (I got pulled away in the middle of writing it) and I'd like to see what you all think.
I'm not trying to cause any kind of issues by posting it (obviously the person who got the thread closed is banned, and the rest of us are good people who can have an intelligent discussion without name-calling and other rude behavior).
In writing it, I gave the OP the beneift of the doubt as far as his shooting skills were concerned (In reading the whole thread, I realize now that perhaps I shouldn't have), but here it is in it's original format, and please feel free to comment/correct.
This is ridiculous. I'd like to see the OP hit a pie plate at 50 yards with a sidearm, PERIOD.
Mind you, I'm not saying that it can't be done, much to the contrary. But I've also been to the range with A LOT of shooters that can't hit a piece of plate steel at 50 feet, let alone 50 meters. (Present NES’ers excluded of course)
Now, I don't know the OP, haven't seen him shoot, and don't know anything about his skill level with a pistol (or any other firearm for that matter). However, in my years of experience, I've seen lots of guys that can't hit the ground with a pistol under normal relaxed shooting conditions, so I'd need to see him do it first.
That would establish a baseline. Now let's make it FAR MORE DIFFICULT;
Let's have that pie plate moving, and I don't just mean moving in one direction, I mean changing levels, angles and distances in a completely erratic and unpredictable manner. Now let's paint it flat black (the bad guys were wearing black masks) in front of front of like-colored objects from time to time and then back to bright colored surfaces, changing the depth perception and contrast of your sight picture and overall view of the target.
STILL THINK YOU CAN HIT IT?
But wait there's more!
Now lets add an OBSCENE amount of incoming rifle fire, fully automatic rifle fire to boot. I don't know about you, but even with Military experience and a fair amount of combat training courses and simulations, I've never come under FA rifle fire before.
The officers involved knew that just one of those incoming rounds could wipe them out. We're not talking about some piddly 9mm round here (not that I'd want to catch one of those), but 7.62x39 and .308. I make the very safe assumption that as brave as those officers were (and still are), they were mindful of the extraordinary amount of danger they were in, and took cover first and foremost.
This would most certainly affect the officer's ability to get a clear "head shot" on the target.
NOW LET'S MAKE IT EVEN MORE DIFFICULT:
There are wounded officers and civilians in the vicinity. The remaining officers are seeing first hand what may very well happen to them at any moment. I don't care who you are; that's going to scare the shit out of you. Period. This is going to further affect the officer's ability to acquire their target(s).
BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE!
Now let's introduce noise. Lots and lots of noise! Full and semi-auto gunfire (and piles of it at that), people screaming, law enforcement shouting commands, and all the general cacophony that ensues during a combat situation.
So in closing....
"All the officers had to do" was:
Hit a small, difficult to see, fast and erratic moving pie plate that was sending gobs of full-auto rifle fire at them at approximately 150 feet away while being confused, terrified, distracted and potentially wounded (in most cases severely)....
With a 9mm pistol.
I rest my case.
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