Is This Legit? ACOG Bible References

[speedy]

If this is true we as a country have issues, big issues.
So Trijicon likes to cap their serial numbers with letters numbers a colon and more numbers. People have way too much time, especially the politically correct aholes to go after sh_t like this, if is true. There is crap going on out here that really offends me and bothers me, and you do not see me raising hell....Because it is inconsequential. The serial number/biblical passage will no harm anyone and it is no worst than the iconography of money, public buildings statues out there with pagan symbols, codes etc.
again if this is true, We have bigger issues in the world for people and politicians to waste time and money on this. Get your priorities straight.

 

[usp45ct]

If the they had to remove the number and colons for the guberment for religios reasons, I would ask for payment in gold as the paper money also has religious connotation to it.

 

[Jonny5]

Here's the other Triji Bible reference

2 Corinthians 4:6

For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Christ.

Nothing like exposing the insurgents heart to a little light right? And fresh air?

 

[The5thDentist]

All I'm going to say is that if Trijicon used references to passages from the Koran or Talmud this never would have been an issue.

 

[atilla]

We train young men to drop fire on people, but their commanders won't allow them to write "****" on their airplanes because it's obscene!

lulz.

 

[xtry51]

There's quite a difference between a generic, diest reference to God on currency, and military equipment paid for by taxpayer dollar with distinctly Christian bible verses on it.

I'm not one of those people that thinks we need to get rid of the Christmas tree in town square, but frankly, I quite surprised most libertarians would be so hunky dory with such taxpayer money being spent to what, like it or not, amounts to a religious endorsement.

I think of it this way, the government didn't request it be on there. The company makes em like that and the govt purchases them. I don't see a problem with that. The ACOG is not going to stop working if you don't beleive in God or act like a Jehova's witness while you're carrying it.

There's nothing stopping other people with different religions putting their own religious references on stuff and trying to sell them. Separation of church and state is meant to not make one religion official, not ban religion from everything govt.

 

[Quiet]

All I'm going to say is that if Trijicon used references to passages from the Koran or Talmud this never would have been an issue.

When's the last time you saw a reference to a passage from the Koran or the Talmud, say held up at a sporting event by someone in a rainbow wig?

 

[Bob P]

I have no problem with a company putting anything they want on their product. I also have no problem with a consumer saying "if you want me to buy your product you'll take this off it." That's the free market in a nutshell.

 

[Sweeney]

Much adieu about nothing. Every day I see and hear things that I either don't follow, believe in or am annoyed by... I simply ignore it all and go about my business. It isn't worth an engaged brain cell or the calorie burned to run it to give a crap if it isn't actually doing you harm.

 

[whacko]

It was on the magnification/lens description not the serial... the serials are laser-dot printed on the eyepiece and main body on the top. Unless you guys kept all those written down as well, which wouldnt surprise me.

On another note I dont see how it would effect zero.

Sent from my cell phone with a tiny keyboard and large thumbs...

Just about every piece of equipment in the Army is recorded on the property book BY SERIAL NUMBER. The ACOGS we were issued had just about every one (we had about 25 ACOGS on the books) had a SN that ENDED in JN3:16.....the SN was on the left side of the main body of the acogs we were issued. As I said we had to take an electric pencil and gently scratch out the JN3:16......the WMO (maintenance work order) we received was very specific. Then we had to do the inventory adjustment report to have the SNs changed on the property book to match the removal of the JN3:16.

The Army is serious about property accountability. Every company commander is personally signed for (and on the hook financially) for every single piece of equipment the unit has on the property book.

I never said anything about it effecting zero.

 

[atilla]

wasn't there some big surplus of M193 on the market years ago because the .gov had to sell it? because it was made in israel and used to kill muslims?

i can't find a source but i did get a case of the shit and it was excellent ammo.

 

[crazymjb]

Just about every piece of equipment in the Army is recorded on the property book BY SERIAL NUMBER. The ACOGS we were issued had just about every one (we had about 25 ACOGS on the books) had a SN that ENDED in JN3:16.....the SN was on the left side of the main body of the acogs we were issued. As I said we had to take an electric pencil and gently scratch out the JN3:16......the WMO (maintenance work order) we received was very specific. Then we had to do the inventory adjustment report to have the SNs changed on the property book to match the removal of the JN3:16.

The Army is serious about property accountability. Every company commander is personally signed for (and on the hook financially) for every single piece of equipment the unit has on the property book.

I never said anything about it effecting zero.

We do things the same way... for whatever reason our serial #s were etched on the top of the 2 pieces of the ACOG and the number on the side was just the lens and magnification.

Mike

Sent from my cell phone with a tiny keyboard and large thumbs...

 

[AntiHippie]

I was one of those apes and begrudgingly complied with my orders. However, I lovingly used a dremel with a fine grinding bit and matching touch up paint. ever since then, our ACOG's have failed to maintain zero. True story, they require constant rezeroing and generally suck at their jobs. I think it would take an old priest and a young priest to fix them.

I think the failure to maintain zero might have more to do with the subspecies of Boatswain's Apes that don't realize everything isn't a hammer and they toss them into the safe, drag them out, slam them around. (There are a few of us -slightly- more evolved than that, just as there are a few more evolved GM's than others) Something in the mount gets loose, gets duct taped and/or zip tied down instead of fixed properly (seriously, I've seen this). The 870 is a big hammer, the sight is not. The racks slide out of the safe to place the long guns in, the long guns don't get jammed up over and around the racks and the door slammed shut on them like it's one of those metal puzzles where you have to separate the two pieces.

 

[Mr. Gold]

They put them there because of their faith, and they wanted every US soldier to have the bible references in battle. They got vilified over it by the same idiots who make everyone take down anything related to Christianity, but build giant Satan statues. You know, the people who currently run the country.

Right there.
Most people don't know or don't want to know.
War on religion is not because of "Oh no there's no God", the people running it are actually "Oh yes, we worship Satan". That's one side of the story which seems to be unkown to "atheists", the quotes are because most of them got convinced into being so, or "wondered by themselves" by the powers that be, which actually worship Satan..

 

[cekim]

Ah, "Jesus Juice"-Gate has it been that long already?

 

[stinx]

My Acog has it.

 

[preacher4573]

All just part of the "New Tolerance" that is being shoved down our throats. Question is, how much longer is the people of this country going to stand by and put up with it?

 

[Fattman]

There's quite a difference between a generic, diest reference to God on currency, and military equipment paid for by taxpayer dollar with distinctly Christian bible verses on it.

I'm not one of those people that thinks we need to get rid of the Christmas tree in town square, but frankly, I quite surprised most libertarians would be so hunky dory with such taxpayer money being spent to what, like it or not, amounts to a religious endorsement.

I dont think the .MIL bought these as a religious endorsement, they bought them because the sights get the job done well.

 

[cekim]

There's quite a difference between a generic, diest reference to God on currency, and military equipment paid for by taxpayer dollar with distinctly Christian bible verses on it.

I'm not one of those people that thinks we need to get rid of the Christmas tree in town square, but frankly, I quite surprised most libertarians would be so hunky dory with such taxpayer money being spent to what, like it or not, amounts to a religious endorsement.

As others have said, I simply don't care. It was an unobtrusive statement of the values of the company that made them that offered no establishment of religion (which is the standard, not "endorsement", this isn't a sports league) and the product did what it did and did it well.

It is absolute panty bunchage to get upset about .mil having Jesus Juice on their acogs. Particularly when so few people even know what the hell it was - they had to go look it up to be offended at which point they likely chuckled because many of them were reasonably sarcastic statements in their full context.

They (.mil) did not specify that it must be there and, like most others likely had no idea it was. It did not interfere with the function, quality or price of the product. It offered no competitive advantage to including or not including it (in fact they now put them at a disadvantage for being there which is an establishment of agnosticism/atheism).

libertarianism should be the opposite of fear of other people's religion and expression of it. That's why we are all here instead of living under some tyrant somewhere else...

 

[OfficerObie59]

A rifle optic = religious endorsement?

This is exactly what appeared in the optic

"ACOG8X32JN8:32"

Trijicon is also a privately owned company.

Our currency states " In God we trust" , this is printed, distributed and solely controlled by only a government entity....

Your argument and point are hollow and lacking substance. .. and yes, you sound like one of those moonbats that demands Christmas trees must be torn down

I don't think it's appropriate for government to be spending money on products for secular use that contain a religious endorsement. That's a step far removed from saying I believe there's an Establishment Clause violation, but if I'm another religion, I may not want the government having me use products with religious text citations stamped right I them.

That's government forcing religion on people, which while it should not be unconstitutional (at least, under an originalistic interpretation) it is not good policy. Moreover, there is a distinct difference between a generic reference to "God" on our money and tw citation to a specific verse in a religious text.

Plus, if the ACOG's had a citation to a Koranic verse 24:35, I really think people would be singing a different tune.

 

[OfficerObie59]

libertarianism should be the opposite of fear of other people's religion and expression of it. That's why we are all here instead of living under some tyrant somewhere else...

Government should not be spending taxpayer money on religious endorsements of any kind on something that is for a secular purpose. I think that is a rather simple. Such a government entanglement with religion is slippery slope. And while I think you'd have to slide down that slope a good deal further to trigger Constituional issues, the complete separation of church and state is a good policy to ensure it never gets that far.

 

[Fixxah]

 

[Quiet]

Government should not be spending taxpayer money on religious endorsements of any kind on something that is for a secular purpose. I think that is a rather simple. Such a government entanglement with religion is slippery slope. And while I think you'd have to slide down that slope a good deal further to trigger Constituional issues, the complete separation of church and state is a good policy to ensure it never gets that far.

Even if the product were patented and by far best-in-class?

 

[groundscrapers]

Even if the product were patented and by far best-in-class?

Even more so because of visibility.

 

[josh2600]

There's quite a difference between a generic, diest reference to God on currency, and military equipment paid for by taxpayer dollar with distinctly Christian bible verses on it.

I'm not one of those people that thinks we need to get rid of the Christmas tree in town square, but frankly, I quite surprised most libertarians would be so hunky dory with such taxpayer money being spent to what, like it or not, amounts to a religious endorsement.

If the government was paying extra for it, then it would bother me.

 

[josh2600]

Right there.
Most people don't know or don't want to know.
War on religion is not because of "Oh no there's no God", the people running it are actually "Oh yes, we worship Satan". That's one side of the story which seems to be unkown to "atheists", the quotes are because most of them got convinced into being so, or "wondered by themselves" by the powers that be, which actually worship Satan..

Ok AJ.

 

[groundscrapers]

If the government was paying extra for it, then it would bother me.

Adding extra text to a casting adds cost to a product. So sure they were paying "extra" for it.

 

[josh2600]

I get what you're saying, but it doesn't hold water with me. The product was what it was before the gov bought. They weren't paying for anything additional. If GW went to Trij and said, "look I want you to put bible verses on your product and the gov. will pay .003 cents more per unit" then I'd be up in arms.

 

[Terminator03]

I get what you're saying, but it doesn't hold water with me. The product was what it was before the gov bought. They weren't paying for anything additional. If GW went to Trij and said, "look I want you to put bible verses on your product and the gov. will pay .003 cents more per unit" then I'd be up in arms.

I agree. Also, the extra cost was incurred during the manufacturing of the mold, so for anyone to suggest that it adds to the cost of the final product is reaching at best. The difference in material cost is negligeable.

 

[cekim]

Government should not be spending taxpayer money on religious endorsements of any kind on something that is for a secular purpose. I think that is a rather simple. Such a government entanglement with religion is slippery slope. And while I think you'd have to slide down that slope a good deal further to trigger Constituional issues, the complete separation of church and state is a good policy to ensure it never gets that far.

I'm not a big organized religion guy, but it is a fool's errand and actually harmful to attempt to so completely cleanse all religious references from government. We quite literally have a nation founded on teachings and wisdom of dude (among others) fairly closely associated with, gasp, a religion...

As I said, if there was no requirement (and in fact no knowledge) of scripture juice on the scopes, there is no endorsement much less establishment of religion.

Again, I say this as a "man of science" who makes his living trusting math, science and that the speed of light is sufficiently constant for me to do my thing... strict lack of religion is a religion itself as it requires faith in the supremacy of man's understanding of his universe which we know to be patently false.

In the vacuum of western faiths has come Climatology and socialism, so there is no huge win in replacing belief in The God with belief in the all powerful deity that is politics.

I am FAR, FAR, FAR more concerned about what fills the void of references to god and humility in government when it is banned as wrong thinking than I am having to tolerate some $&%#int bible verse that don't call for anyone's death, multinational or subjugation in a cryptic form on he he side of a hunk of metal.

Best cross product of function and price to do the job is all I care about.