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Here we go again: Maine’s Susan Collins unveils a gun control bill
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Horrible
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The problem is the Republicans are taking the cheese on this one and by entertaining this crap, they are basically saying that they don't believe Islamic terror and our open borders policies are AT ALL to blame for this but gunz are the cause!?
WTF?! And the NRA is going to back this?
What about 5A? Due Process? Hello. Anybody home up there? Bueller? Bueller?
Cosponsors: U.S. Senators Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND); Kelly Ayotte (R-NH); Martin Heinrich (D- NM); Jeff Flake (R-AZ); Tim Kaine (D-VA); Lindsey Graham (R-SC); Angus King (I-ME
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Sparky123
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We don't need any more gun control !! What we need is for the f*****g F.B.I. to start doing their jobs !!! Giving the government the right to take your guns because you are on one of their lists is insane. So now all the government will have to do is just put you on their no fly list and then you can say goodbye to all your guns. Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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made two calls yesterday... will make more today.
This^^^ IDGAF who winds up with guns. As far as I'm concerned anyone who is not currently incarcerated should be able to buy a gun at any time. I will never support restrictions of any type.
When I still lived in Tennessee, I flew to NYC for a week and managed to lose my license while I was there. The only government ID I had left with me was my CCW permit. I gently explained to the ticketing agent at Laguardia that this was the only ID I had as I handed her the permit. She took that really calmly....."DO you have a GUN???????" I was expecting to wind up with a cop kneeling on my neck at that point. And yes, I did get "randomly" selected for extra screening.
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Its very near time to start putting these lawless phucking tyrant bastards in their graves.
According to a news report down here, the NRA has called this proposed bill "UNconstitutional."
If we have non US citizens in this country on the no fly list they should get one last plane ride OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
Since our lovely "gov" has declared our returning soldiers a large threat to the US I wonder who will be first on the no fly or terror watch lists.
ohh how about all those who believe in the constitution. or those bitter clingers clinging onto their bibles.... omit islam they dont count.
WTF
Wont be long the way things are going that just posting on forums will get you on a watch list....well except muslims they will be protected.
Since our lovely "gov" has declared our returning soldiers a large threat to the US I wonder who will be first on the no fly or terror watch lists.
ohh how about all those who believe in the constitution. or those bitter clingers clinging onto their bibles.... omit islam they dont count.
WTF
Wont be long the way things are going that just posting on forums will get you on a watch list....well except muslims they will be protected.
GM-GUY
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The Dems are doing a sit in the HoR. Funny these guys all get their panties in a bunch to infringe on a Constituional / God-Given Right, but when the SCotUS decides the 4th evaporates if something is found - they do nothing.
I don't even want to click the link to get a gulp of whatever insanity they peddle. I'm tired of this bullshit. If they want communism, let's raise the red banner over the ****ing white house already.
NHCraigT
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Info on that little effort:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/de...for-gun-vote/ar-AAht880?li=BBnb7Kz&OCID=HPDHP
If this thing gets passed and signed into law, it then becomes the cudgel to support a host of other infringements. Next, we absolutely have to have expanded background checks since "No Fly, No Buy" only applies to purchases where a background check is required.
Next, we need a national firearm owners registry since there is limited value in restricting only new firearms purchases. We need to know what firearms people already own so that they can be confiscated from people who end up on the list.
We saw how easy it was for the IRS to use an "enemies of the government list" to harass law abiding conservatives. Why should we think this would be any different? what secret criteria will get added for putting you on the list? Be the subject of x number of NICS checks within x number of months and you go on the list since only a terrorist in the making would purchase so many guns?
What happens if a large number of innocents are added to the list and have to appeal denials? The devil will be in the details implementing the law. The bill's language requires a decision from the appeals court within 14 days. Since the courts are busy, could appeal hearing take six months or more to get scheduled? If you are denied and then win on appeal, are you removed from the list? Can you be put right back on again? Shouldn't there be another layer of protection, say if you win an appeal should the gov have to provide evidence to a court to put you back on the list?
It would not be difficult at all for the gov to use this as a tool to harass innocent gun owners and create an appeal hearing backlog that makes it take forever to get your hearing.
Next, we need a national firearm owners registry since there is limited value in restricting only new firearms purchases. We need to know what firearms people already own so that they can be confiscated from people who end up on the list.
We saw how easy it was for the IRS to use an "enemies of the government list" to harass law abiding conservatives. Why should we think this would be any different? what secret criteria will get added for putting you on the list? Be the subject of x number of NICS checks within x number of months and you go on the list since only a terrorist in the making would purchase so many guns?
What happens if a large number of innocents are added to the list and have to appeal denials? The devil will be in the details implementing the law. The bill's language requires a decision from the appeals court within 14 days. Since the courts are busy, could appeal hearing take six months or more to get scheduled? If you are denied and then win on appeal, are you removed from the list? Can you be put right back on again? Shouldn't there be another layer of protection, say if you win an appeal should the gov have to provide evidence to a court to put you back on the list?
It would not be difficult at all for the gov to use this as a tool to harass innocent gun owners and create an appeal hearing backlog that makes it take forever to get your hearing.
While going through airport security at Logan once I asked a TSA guy whether they consider an MA LTC to be an adequate form of ID. His response was that they consider an MA LTC to be the "gold standard" of government ID's and when they see one they know they have nothing to worry about because the standard for an MA LTC is so much higher than anything they can hope for from existing systems.
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