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It'd work out just fine "in MA" depending on how smart the person with the broken gun is.
-Mike
You might want to learn a bit more about mass production...turns out there's a lot more to pricing than COGS. Also, metal costs more than you think...On somewhat of a related tangent, in this day and age, why are pistols so expensive? It can’t cost Glock more than $10 to injection mold the handle, all the barrels and slides etc are all CNC or at the very least automated from a couple dollars of steel, only hand work I could imagine there being is assembly which isn’t even that expensive considering how quickly an experienced person can disassemble and assemble a pistol completely.
Only if someone is incapable of thinking outside the box.I don't know....something tells me this story wouldn't have a happy ending in the people's republic.
You are right, you could make a killing selling $50 guns.On somewhat of a related tangent, in this day and age, why are pistols so expensive? It can’t cost Glock more than $10 to injection mold the handle, all the barrels and slides etc are all CNC or at the very least automated from a couple dollars of steel, only hand work I could imagine there being is assembly which isn’t even that expensive considering how quickly an experienced person can disassemble and assemble a pistol completely.
Just so I’m clear, you think it costs Glock the same to injection mold a plastic frame, stamp out some metal pieces, and do a bit of CNC work as it does for Apple to source lithium, turn that into batteries, generates silicone, turn it into hundreds of chips, transitions, make a glass and metal frame, assemble, write code, etc. etc.You are right, you could make a killing selling $50 guns.
Snap your fingers and a factory with all the equipment, employees, raw materials and patented gun designs will appear out of nowhere. The best part is, none of that will have labor costs, taxes or maintenance costs.
If you snap your fingers a second time, all your sales, shipping and marketing costs disappear.
And if you snap them a third time, all your insurance and legal costs also disappear.
It is as easy as 1, 2, 3.
Economy of scale explains the difference.Just so I’m clear, you think it costs Glock the same to injection mold a plastic frame, stamp out some metal pieces, and do a bit of CNC work as it does for Apple to source lithium, turn that into batteries, generates silicone, turn it into hundreds of chips, transitions, make a glass and metal frame, assemble, write code, etc. etc.
No, I don’t know what goes into a manufacturing plant, but I do know there’a about 1000x more that goes into producing a $600 laptop than a $600 Glock which makes me highly suspicious of the actual manufacturer costs, which was my point.
I think you dont know a lot of things, and now you are trying to compare a gun to a computer.Just so I’m clear, you think it costs Glock the same to injection mold a plastic frame, stamp out some metal pieces, and do a bit of CNC work as it does for Apple to source lithium, turn that into batteries, generates silicone, turn it into hundreds of chips, transitions, make a glass and metal frame, assemble, write code, etc. etc.
No, I don’t know what goes into a manufacturing plant, but I do know there’a about 1000x more that goes into producing a $600 laptop than a $600 Glock which makes me highly suspicious of the actual manufacturer costs, which was my point.
Unless the Mass LTC holder lies and claims the gun was stolen, he's gonna get hit with a storage violation.It'd work out just fine "in MA" depending on how smart the person with the broken gun is.
-Mike
I think we have our wires crossed here I was referring to the idea of getting the gun repaired by glock, not the part about the gun falling off of the motorcycle...Unless the Mass LTC holder lies and claims the gun was stolen, he's gonna get hit with a storage violation.
Ahhh.I think we have our wires crossed here I was referring to the idea of getting the gun repaired by glock, not the part about the gun falling off of the motorcycle...
Just so I’m clear, you think it costs Glock the same to injection mold a plastic frame, stamp out some metal pieces, and do a bit of CNC work as it does for Apple to source lithium, turn that into batteries, generates silicone, turn it into hundreds of chips, transitions, make a glass and metal frame, assemble, write code, etc. etc.
No, I don’t know what goes into a manufacturing plant, but I do know there’a about 1000x more that goes into producing a $600 laptop than a $600 Glock which makes me highly suspicious of the actual manufacturer costs, which was my point.
The same is true for electronics. Batteries and boards are often cut exactly for that model, chips are programmed specifically for certain tasks, to run with certain components, displays meant for just that model, and certainly code is written by highly paid individuals for an extremely specific application. There are a number of components that are widely used (like resistors which are fairly universal in many applications, etc) but those have to be manufactured by someone else and many of these companies are paying a premium for the manufacturing costs of those.The majority of parts in a gun are unique to that gun so the NRE is only spread across a relatively small number of products.
There are any number of examples that don't involve electronics, but my point still stands, and was more a commentary on production vs retail costs in general. You going to tell me it takes BMW an extra $15k to give you an engine 1 liter larger, especially when it uses the same transmission, connecting rods, etc? I can buy a $1900 Shirogorov knife (<10 parts in total) or 2 P320 Legions. I can get a Glock or a Nikon dSLR camera, with shutter assemblies, etc. I'm not saying I won't (and don't) happily shell out the money for all of this but, when I stand back and look at it, I find it difficult to find the justification in costs sometimes.Lol, not sure if serious dude, people gotta eat. Nobody makes guns as a social charity or something. You have to make enough profit to justify existing, pay a shitload of employees, sales, marketing, warranty/service/parts fulfillment (which for Glock and a bunch of other companies covers the guns for decades) You also have to make enough profit to carry the company over when every so many years the market gets stagnant and you have slower sales.
Most of Glocks peers aren't giving their guns away, why should they?
Let's look at the other side of the industry shall we? A Hi Point is basically made out of compressed liquid feces with a barrel in the middle of it, and even those pieces of dog
meat cost like $150-200 bucks new. Basically its a gun made the cheapest way possible, with the cheapest packaging, most flinting, least warranty fulfillment requirements, etc.
600 dollar laptops???? dude, just stop digging. That's a trip. (at new price) by the way are pieces of dog shit that you'll be lucky to get 5 years out of most of them, on the other hand a decent pistol like a Glock or something similar will probably last longer than any of us will. The value prop of most consumer grade laptops (or things like cell phones, to use a more common example) is extremely poor. On the other hand you take a Glock, XD, CZ P10, etc.... at 500-700 bucks (dep on model and config) that situation is basically inverted. There is no comparison, consumer grade electronics are pumped out by the metric ton and the market compresses itself. Plus in consumer electronic land the 600 dollar piece of shit blows up in 2-5 years and people buy another one to replace it. With guns some people might buy only 2 guns their entire life and market has sort of a saturation point.
The fact that Glocks, XD, etc, still only cost what they do is actually pretty amazing given the inflation that's hit other handguns. in the past 10-15 years I've seen other handguns go up by like $50-100 bucks or more mostly due to inflation or raw material, import costs. Like the days of the $400 CZ-75B are long gone.
So again, my original point, how much can it really cost them to produce in the first place? It sounds like so far the answer to my question of "why are they so expensive" is market saturation and customer service.That extra mark up is what allows them to have such awesome warranty/customer service. I sent my gen 2 back to them and they checked it over and refurbished/replaced all the internals etc for free. It only cost me like $60 to have the slide and barrel refinished while it was there. The only problem is the refinish looks blotchy because the old tenifer was that good. I should have skipped that
There are any number of examples that don't involve electronics, but my point still stands, and was more a commentary on production vs retail costs in general. You going to tell me it takes BMW an extra $15k to give you an engine 1 liter larger, especially when it uses the same transmission, connecting rods, etc? I can buy a $1900 Shirogorov knife (<10 parts in total) or 2 P320 Legions. I can get a Glock or a Nikon dSLR camera, with shutter assemblies, etc. I'm not saying I won't (and don't) happily shell out the money for all of this but, when I stand back and look at it, I find it difficult to find the justification in costs sometimes.
BOM cost is a very small part of product pricing and marketingSo again, my original point, how much can it really cost them to produce in the first place? It sounds like so far the answer to my question of "why are they so expensive" is market saturation and customer service.
The same is true for electronics. Batteries and boards are often cut exactly for that model, chips are programmed specifically for certain tasks, to run with certain components, displays meant for just that model, and certainly code is written by highly paid individuals for an extremely specific application. There are a number of components that are widely used (like resistors which are fairly universal in many applications, etc) but those have to be manufactured by someone else and many of these companies are paying a premium for the manufacturing costs of those.
We can extend this example to any number of non-electronic devices but the point remains the same. Porsche sells a single headlight assembly for $2k, which is essentially a bit of plastic and a lens, or I can buy a SureFire for $200 thats brighter and comes with all the power regulation bits, etc. Does it really cost Porsche 10x more to make their plastic, or is there some premium because they can?
And that's fair, but doing a quick search (aka unverified info), it seems Glock's output is ~80k units per WEEK. So yes, premiums for the Porsche headlights and chipsets going into your missile are justified by limited production, but it would seem Glock's are a full fledge "mass-produced" item with numbers like that.I work in the defense industry in a very small niche - when lifetime production is less than 100 of an item things get ridiculously expensive not because of the BOM but simply because of all of the design, manufacturing and support effort needed.
I would suspect legal compliance costs are large on firearms but for Glocks I suspect a lot of it is the market - people are willing to pay more for a known quality product with great supportAnd that's fair, but doing a quick search (aka unverified info), it seems Glock's output is ~80k units per WEEK. So yes, premiums for the Porsche headlights and chipsets going into your missile are justified by limited production, but it would seem Glock's are a full fledge "mass-produced" item with numbers like that.
It was honestly a genuine question and not an attack. I'm was curious what the justification for the price was. I could see there being something I wasn't aware of, like maybe some kind of weird import or firearms manufacturing tax, some complex polishing step for the action, etc. But from an outsider looking in, it's difficult to see how you can buy a polymer frame pistol or an O/U shotgun with wood, metal engraving, tons of steel on the barrel, double the action work, etc, for not much difference in price.
Different product, different market, different rules. Different economy of scale, even. Some company like HP produces more shitty consumer laptops in a quarter than glock does guns in an entire year, more than likely.
So again, my original point, how much can it really cost them to produce in the first place? It sounds like so far the answer to my question of "why are they so expensive" is market saturation and customer service.
At this point, a lot of this is starting to overlap this thread:And that's fair, but doing a quick search (aka unverified info), it seems Glock's output is ~80k units per WEEK. So yes, premiums for the Porsche headlights and chipsets going into your missile are justified by limited production, but it would seem Glock's are a full fledge "mass-produced" item with numbers like that.
It was honestly a genuine question and not an attack. I'm was curious what the justification for the price was. I could see there being something I wasn't aware of, like maybe some kind of weird import or firearms manufacturing tax, some complex polishing step for the action, etc. But from an outsider looking in, it's difficult to see how you can buy a polymer frame pistol or an O/U shotgun with wood, metal engraving, tons of steel on the barrel, double the action work, etc, for not much difference in price.
Can you try number 4 and make Marsha disappear.....You are right, you could make a killing selling $50 guns.
Snap your fingers and a factory with all the equipment, employees, raw materials and patented gun designs will appear out of nowhere. The best part is, none of that will have labor costs, taxes or maintenance costs.
If you snap your fingers a second time, all your sales, shipping and marketing costs disappear.
And if you snap them a third time, all your insurance and legal costs also disappear.
It is as easy as 1, 2, 3.