Fox News: FBI agent charged in off-duty shooting of man on subway

[FalArAk]

FBI agent investigating/manufacturing racially motivated crimes and labeling any white people with guns an extremist organization ?

Guilty, F him.

 

[Rat187]

@Wickedcoolname explained it perfectly.
f*** that guy. Homeless guy got got. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. How ever you wanna put it. End of story.

You're both my hero's.....

 

[FrugalFannie]

a couple of things

how would your "average joe/jane" be treated in this same situation?
nowhere did I see a claim the agent felt his life was in danger
does this mean that after I say "no" to a homeless person begging and they come back for a second time, I get to shoot them? Cause we have some pretty aggressive homeless people in Dallas. especially on the DART (same as MBTA but cleaner and MUCH better)

 

[Rat187]

News blackout on both the victim and the 2nd person shot, nothing. His attorneys version is all over news. I may be abusing my white privilege, but a sickening massive white wash.

 

[BOOTKNIFEFAN]

Dude was unarmed using bad words. In general, one cannot use a firearm in self defense against an unarmed aggressor unless there is a significant disparity in size, weight, even training. The FBI agent cannot claim he did not have the unarmed skills to handle this fool without going to gun first. A female agent? Sure. In fact female LEO's shoot more often than male LEO's.
A mere mortal civilian would be facing far more severe charges.

Not sure about FBI, but I did see a plainclothes female U.S. Marshal take off her jacket in federal court. She had a Glock handgun (not sure of caliber) in a right hand draw holster, a spare mag in a carrier, a pair of handcuffs looped over the back of her belt and an ASP expandable baton on her left side. She definitely had a "less lethal" option available to her, right there on her belt.

 

[AHM]

Defense can introduce the reputation of the "victim" as support for the claim the shooter was under attack, as evidence of "a pertinent trait of character of the victim.” " (this is distinct from the "Rape Shield" doctrine).

QFTMFT. You delivered.

But it turns out that link is wicked mangled.
I FTFY in the above quote.

I suppose it is also possible that since both were regular subway riders, shooter may have encountered this aggressive panhandler previously?

If remotely possible, the defense won't neglect to claim it.
OTOH, if the agent remembered enough about the panhandler
to help justify going kinetic,
don't you wish he remembered it soon enough
to start thinking about how to defuse the situation?


I just flashed on one of Howie's down-home observations,
and realized that this agent may be the kind of "LEO"
who's never so much as written a parking ticket.

Stop me if I'm wrong, but sitting around an FBI building all day long,
conspiring to jack up Trump voters as white supremacists
does not build street smarts.

Sucks that Maryland' has a "Duty to Retreat"

(Bet the panhandler wishes he'd retreated).

If we still arrested bums for vagrancy this never would have happened.

Gotta be some places in America where bums still get the bum's rush.

The indictment names the man who was shot and also a second man, who it identifies as the victim of the reckless endangerment charge.​

sounds like the agent didn't give a f*** about what was beyond his target

Whoa, that little nuance went straight over my head.

Guess he shouldn't have used an .88 magnum (shoots through panhandlers).

 

[Bonesinium]

I’m pretty sure if you talk shit to someone, when they talk shit back, it doesn’t justify you then shooting them. I mean we all probably hate pan handlers, it doesn’t mean we get to shoot them.

 

[jkelly1229]

You new to 2021?

f*** optics. Do the right thing.

 

[Chevy 2 65]

it's not clear what the threat was?

 

[Rat187]

it's not clear what the threat was?

To his bloated ego

 

[Kevin_NH]

it's not clear what the threat was?

It'll come out in court, there's video from the train car, and also a 911 call from another passenger:

In a 911 call released in January, a witness said the agent had warned the man to back away, but the man ignored the command and instead prepared to fight him, the Washington Post reported. "The FBI agent said: ‘Move away. I’m an FBI agent. Back away,’" the 911 caller said. "The other gentleman didn’t, dropped his bag, approached him to fight him." The caller said the FBI agent was attacked by the other passenger but did not describe how.

 

[Chevy 2 65]

Based on the review of video cameras onboard the 7000-series train, it appears that an FBI agent discharged his weapon several times following a verbal exchange with a passenger.”​

I would like to see it. If it was only words, he's a bonehead.

 

[BOOTKNIFEFAN]

The FBI office geek was too cowardly to man up and use his fists. Really? A panhandler? Should have tossed a couple of bucks and told him to get an extra-large coffee. He wanted to exhibit his inner Rambo and permanently injury the guy with gunfire. Hope he gets fired and goes to jail! I am sure his fellow inmates will take very good care of him!

To his bloated ego