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No guys half cocked is right. I mean we already pay them, why force anyone to actually work?
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No guys half cocked is right. I mean we already pay them, why force anyone to actually work?
Why? Because it does involve the PD and they are a necessity for the above purposes and several others. Ninetynine out of one hundred times nobody is required to be pulled off the street to do them, they are done by someone already working "in house", either a clerk or detective assigned to firearms duties.
Proper, prior identification of persons whether they're getting involved in banking and securities, NFA or other activity where it is a legal requirement for prints, taxpayers shouldn't have to pull teeth to get what they need to assist in filling the state or federal coffers with their taxes that pay the salaries of those doing the "light work" of printing someone.
There is even mandatory compensation involved: http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/41-108i.htm , so there's no excuses.
Our taxes pay for the police to "protect and serve". It would be nice if they'ed get back to providing service.
Why shouldn't police who have the equipment to take fingerprints just take 5 god damned minutes and do it?
I already stated that I agree with this point. The original post did not state what the prints were related to. Since the OP clarified...I agree.
Soo.....where do these services stop though? Do you also want the police to do the backgroiund checks for these positions as well?
What about WalMart and other large private corporations that require senior executives to be printed and background checks done?
At what point does the private corporations need to pay up?
I have no problem with an agency providing the service..but should it be free when it applies to applications other than firearms?
Again...I am happy to do it and my agency does it...but should we?
That law applies to officers assigned to crime scene. It is not applicable.
So...should the police escort every employee from every store in the city to the bank when they make a deposit?
Where is the line drawn?
Where do you even come up with these analogies and think they apply here? *rolls eyes*
I've some experience in staffing models. You staff based on the work expected to be performed. Extra jobs require extra staff. Towns operate on a budget. Services over and above aren't figured into that budget. Now, I am NOT talking about fingerprinting for an LTC, FID or other police job related activity - I am talking about someone walking in off the streets asking for a print card for their on use and purposes.
I see no problem with a fee for such card. Sure you 'pay their salary with your taxes'. Your property tax rate is based on a stated level of services. If that's not figured into the level then you're not paying for that service. You want it, you pay extra. It's like towns that go to a fee-based trash collection - you want your trash picked up at the curb, you pay a fee. It keeps the property tax rate down.
So...should the police escort every employee from every store in the city to the bank when they make a deposit?
Where is the line drawn?
I've some experience in staffing models. You staff based on the work expected to be performed. Extra jobs require extra staff. Towns operate on a budget. Services over and above aren't figured into that budget. Now, I am NOT talking about fingerprinting for an LTC, FID or other police job related activity - I am talking about someone walking in off the streets asking for a print card for their on use and purposes.
I see no problem with a fee for such card. Sure you 'pay their salary with your taxes'. Your property tax rate is based on a stated level of services. If that's not figured into the level then you're not paying for that service. You want it, you pay extra. It's like towns that go to a fee-based trash collection - you want your trash picked up at the curb, you pay a fee. It keeps the property tax rate down.
Exactly! +1 to you for "getting it"
I would say a reasonable request can/should be accomodated. I mean it takes 5 minutes and they have the equipment right there. What's the big deal? Even if they charged $5 to $10. No biggie IMO.
You are right! It should be done for a small fee. That is what I have been saying.
Private companies and people should not be able to "use" the police to by-pass their own financial responsibilities.
Well I'd be ok with it being done for a small fee, but I really feel it could be done as a courtesy. So long as people aren't lining up out the door for fingerprints, I see no reason it couldn't be done for free. That said, if I needed prints, I wouldn't bitch about paying 5 or 10 bucks.
You are right! It should be done for a small fee. That is what I have been saying.
Private companies and people should not be able to "use" the police to by-pass their own financial responsibilities.
you are funded by the public, I don't think you realize that. Either that or you don't want to serve OR protect.
How are people using the police to "bypass" financial responsibility??
Just admit it, you don't wan to work and would rather jus collect paychecks. G ahead, you know you wanna.
The outright refusal is bullshit and was never the case until the last ten or so years.
i have no problem paying a reasonalbe fee for this service.
i have a major problem w/ brockton just flat out not offering this service. the hard part should have been getting the sign off, but that was easy
i called 2 more locat pd's today and got the same answer, only for town residents. these are pd's that have a firearms officer on site
and don't want to take a few extra bucks in. while i don't believe they are sitting around doing nothing, 10 minutes to make $20 bucks almost all profit,
garyz
Police Departments weren't in a position to have to lay people off until the last few years or so.
The OP is from Brockton. This Police Department is severely under funded and understaffed. The Brockton PD does not even respond to minor "crimes". If they do not respond to minor "crimes" then how can they justify taking the time to take finger prints for a private company.
I will attempt to make this simple for you.
If you are in the process of being hired by a private corporation i.e. Walmart, Raytheon, General Electric etc....and they are conducting a background check on you which requires fingerprints why should the local Police Department do this for free.
It is the corporations policy, they are responsible for the background check. It is not mandated by the government. They should be paying to have the prints done and not the taxpayer.
Pretty simple.
If Brockton is so underfunded that it doesn't respond to "minor" crimes, the first people arrested should be those in the offices of the city hall.
Originally Posted by Finalygotabeltfed
If Brockton is so underfunded that it doesn't respond to "minor" crimes, the first people arrested should be those in the offices of the city hall.
There fixed it for you!