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FFL application waiting time in mass
- Thread starter Sam3456
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I just got my FFL07 recently. Here was my timeline:
1. Application in mail on March 2nd
2. Check cashed on March 15th
3. IOI interview/investigation on March 30th
4. FFL turns up positive on EZCheck on April 17th.
5. FFL in the mail on April 21.
Total time from application received to approval was about 7.5 to 8 weeks.
The rule is 60 days for decision upon a successfully executed application. A successfully executed application is considered as such when no further edits need to be made. You won’t know what edits you need, however, until meeting your IOI most likely. I had 5 small mistakes on the form. Technically, that 60 day process could start then.
1. Application in mail on March 2nd
2. Check cashed on March 15th
3. IOI interview/investigation on March 30th
4. FFL turns up positive on EZCheck on April 17th.
5. FFL in the mail on April 21.
Total time from application received to approval was about 7.5 to 8 weeks.
The rule is 60 days for decision upon a successfully executed application. A successfully executed application is considered as such when no further edits need to be made. You won’t know what edits you need, however, until meeting your IOI most likely. I had 5 small mistakes on the form. Technically, that 60 day process could start then.
Ok interesting thanks for the response. And how would you search up your FFL on EZCheck to see if its positive while waiting for FFL to come in mail? Since you would need your FFL number to search it, are there any other ways like searching it by your first and last name? Thank you
During my meeting with the IOI I was given the first three and last 5 of my FFL to help explain marking variances. But the ATF FFLC in WV also told me. Notably, the day the FFL was published, I got texts from companies asking me to verify my FFL to sell on a platform. I think they scrape the database and look for new entries.
By the time you meet with the ATF IOI your FFL has already been generated.
Hello! Thanks so much for the info, I received my FFL number from the FFLC and searched the number on EZCheck and my FFL popped up. Does this mean my FFL is active now and I can start manufacturing firearms and register them such as AKs or AR-15s and start partaking in activities that type 7 FFLs can legally do? Thank you.
Your FFL has been issued. It’s tied to you/premises. Technically, you’re supposed to have your FFL hanging on the premises and give signed copies to dealers when conducting FFL to FFL transfers. My two cents would be to wait until you have everything in the mail just in case. It will probably be another 5 to 7 days. I took the time period to get accounts with GB, wholesalers, FastBound etc. set up.
namedpipes
NES Member
In Mass, IN ADDITION to your FFL, issued by ATF, you will need several more licenses from State of Mass. Unless something has changed in the past few years, you'll want to obtain a Mass Dealer's license, Gunsmith's license and Ammo Seller (if you plan to) but at least the first two.
If your business model is selling only to FFLs in other states, perhaps you don't require the MA licenses, but without the MA Dealer license you cannot manufacture / deal items subject to MA AWB, FFL or no FFL.
“If your business model is selling only to FFLs in other states, perhaps you don't require the MA licenses” Which it is, my ATF IOI agent told me I am allowed to these kinds of activities. My premise is not zoned for retail and my business model for selling guns will be only out of state
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namedpipes
NES Member
Just be aware that without that dealers licence you remain subject to the AWB.
I wish you luck in your venture.
namedpipes
NES Member
You're not wrong. You should always research what you can or can't do legally.
Do you already know everything you need to know in order to make your own informed decisions?
If yes, then why the hell are you asking for advice or info on an Internet forum in the first place?
If no, then, you're welcome. I hope my and the others comments helped you. Mass does need more gun makers and dealers.
A little less hubris...
I appreciate your input but I think my IOI agent is more qualified to inform me of what I can and cant do instead of somebody in a forum. Thank you
Again, with this specific matter I’d go with what the agent tells me rather than what you say. Thanks againYou're not wrong. You should always research what you can or can't do legally.
Do you already know everything you need to know in order to make your own informed decisions?
If yes, then why the hell are you asking for advice or info on an Internet forum in the first place?
If no, then, you're welcome. I hope my and the others comments helped you. Mass does need more gun makers and dealers.
A little less hubris...
From the ATF:
Industry operations investigators (IOIs) support ATF’s regulatory mission by conducting regular inspections and investigations into regulated firearms and explosives industries. IOIs work closely with new and existing licensees to make sure their businesses meet all federal laws and regulations. They inspect their records and inventories to make sure all items are documented correctly and stored safely. During this process, they also look for evidence of trafficking and other criminal activities.
Prospective FFLs wishing to remain free should note that the ATF makes no claim of expertise with regard to state laws. OP going to jail.
Industry operations investigators (IOIs) support ATF’s regulatory mission by conducting regular inspections and investigations into regulated firearms and explosives industries. IOIs work closely with new and existing licensees to make sure their businesses meet all federal laws and regulations. They inspect their records and inventories to make sure all items are documented correctly and stored safely. During this process, they also look for evidence of trafficking and other criminal activities.
Prospective FFLs wishing to remain free should note that the ATF makes no claim of expertise with regard to state laws. OP going to jail.
namedpipes
NES Member
And I’m not trying to argue or cause problems here lol, If somebody can show me a direct evidence that a Type 7 FFL without dealers are still subject to the AWB then I would agree. Reading the law on this matter has shown no direct indication to this claim
namedpipes
NES Member
I did. You ignored it.
I'm not sure you realize that if your IOI give you bad advice, YOU go to jail. Not he or she. Mine was a chick. She wouldn't even discuss State law with me. If yours did, you should really think about that.
You certainly can proceed with your business without getting the MA dealer license. You should simply be aware that without that MA license, all aspects of the Mass AWB apply to you, even though you're a manufacturer operating under a federal license. I don't give a crap if YOU listen, it's clear you just wanted an argument.
My hope is that OTHERS reading this thread will give it a little more thought that you have, if they're looking to start an FFL related business.
pastera
NES Member
Look up the State of Massachusetts laws and see the answer for yourself.
Since your IOI is your only trusted resource I'll refrain from posting a l8nk to the relevant Mass Laws
Look up Chapt 140 section 131M
It's clear as day.
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Explain this then “If your business model is selling only to FFLs in other states, perhaps you don't require the MA licenses” your contradicting your own self brother
Marty McFly
NES Member
Where does it say state?
namedpipes
NES Member
NOBODY IS STOPPING YOU
Just do it. I don't care. Your business adventures will surely make for lively discussion 18 months from now![[laugh]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/012.gif "Laugh [laugh]")
One last try here, because I really can't tell if you're a troll, a dufus or just backed yourself into a corner (as we all have from time to time).
A couple people on the site here have run seminars on how to FFL in a state like Mass. This topic is very clearly covered in the seminars. Look in the Mill threads or ask a dealer from there. The Mill itself is probably doomed, eventually, but the knowledge to be gained there is valuable.
Sure, but who outside of Massachusetts is going to buy a neutered rifle? You have no market!
This post is also the first time you mentioned building POST ban rifles. Prior, you only mentioned "rifles".
I misread that.
If your business model is building POST ban rifles to sell to FFLs outside of Mass, then YES, YOU ARE GOING TO JAIL.
Just do it. I don't care. Your business adventures will surely make for lively discussion 18 months from now
One last try here, because I really can't tell if you're a troll, a dufus or just backed yourself into a corner (as we all have from time to time).
A couple people on the site here have run seminars on how to FFL in a state like Mass. This topic is very clearly covered in the seminars. Look in the Mill threads or ask a dealer from there. The Mill itself is probably doomed, eventually, but the knowledge to be gained there is valuable.
This post is also the first time you mentioned building POST ban rifles. Prior, you only mentioned "rifles".
I misread that.
If your business model is building POST ban rifles to sell to FFLs outside of Mass, then YES, YOU ARE GOING TO JAIL.
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Marty McFly
NES Member
DufusNOBODY IS STOPPING YOU
Just do it. I don't care. Your business adventures will surely make for lively discussion 18 months from now
One last try here, because I really can't tell if you're a troll, a dufus or just backed yourself into a corner (as we all have from time to time).
A couple people on the site here have run seminars on how to FFL in a state like Mass. This topic is very clearly covered in the seminars. Look in the Mill threads or ask a dealer from there. The Mill itself is probably doomed, eventually, but the knowledge to be gained there is valuable.
Sure, but who outside of Massachusetts is going to buy a neutered rifle? You have no market!
This post is also the first time you mentioned building POST ban rifles. Prior, you only mentioned "rifles".
namedpipes
NES Member
I do know of one MA based, home FFL that operates without a MA dealer's license. He's VERY careful with what sort of merch he carries.
Note, I edited one of my responses above, because I realized OP admitted to planning to violate the Mass AWB.
Note, I edited one of my responses above, because I realized OP admitted to planning to violate the Mass AWB.
pastera
NES Member
Logic is not part of the equation.
You require a dealer license in order to possess anything that is covered by the Mass AWB. If you don't have one then you cannot possess a covered firearm without being in jeopardy.
Also understand that your bound book is evidence of unlawful possession if you properly enter an AW. But not entering it puts you in federal jeopardy.
Mesatchornug
NES Member
This isn't even complicated. Your business model is inherently flawed. That's not your IOI's problem.
One can have an FFL in MA without a dealer license. They could even have a business plan that operates without it - e.g., selling bolt rifles out of state. It happens that your plan is founded on not having read the law nor listened to the answers from the people on here who have already walked where you hope to.
malegislature.gov
One can have an FFL in MA without a dealer license. They could even have a business plan that operates without it - e.g., selling bolt rifles out of state. It happens that your plan is founded on not having read the law nor listened to the answers from the people on here who have already walked where you hope to.
General Law - Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140, Section 122
malegislature.gov
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