Families of the Sandy Hook shooting victims have rejected Alex Jones' $120,000 settlement offer per child

[Hoover]

SH failed and backfired on antis, actually. The dead toddler corpse impact got tamped because the thing gun owners have been bitching about for 50 years (mental health policy) came full front and center. This wasn't a disaffected youth but a full on nutbag that belonged locked up many years before the incident. They could not parlay this into legislation because they weren't simultaneously allowed to ignore mental health issues that lead to this. This stalled the gun contol pushes, hard. Not to mention there was no fathomable path where most anti desired low grade gun control laws would have changed the outcome. He killed his mother and gained access.

I don't buy SH as a great false flag. If i was a full on tinfoiler, Columbine is far more retarded, there are way more things there that clearly didn't add up, either pointing to shit like SSRIs or full on mkultra shit. And for antis thats the one gift that kept on giving.....

I think the biggest factor was “ Not to mention there was no fathomable path where most anti desired low grade gun control laws would have changed the outcome. He killed his mother and gained access. ”

The internet allows people to crush the lies and bs so quickly now. And most of the mass shooting since the nutcase passed NICS checks and bought the gun and ammo legally

How often do we hear the shooter was batshit crazy and people knew for months or years? DC navy yard guy was hearing voices, aurora movie theater shooters college therapist knew he was violent and nuts, Giffords shooter was booted from college because he was a violent nut, VA tech, etc. mass shooters are almost universally mentally I’ll with a few terrorists mixed in San Bernardino, pulse night club. The LV concert one is the only one where there’s no motive or mental illness known.

 

[AHM]

SCOTUS case NY times vs Sullivan New York Times Co. v. Sullivan - Wikipedia

Famous, public people now have a much higher bar to sue than people who are not famous.

FTFY.

1A protections are supposed to be high bar for a reason. Chilling effect vs free speech is palpable even if it involves punishing a twit like AJ.

Once upon a time,
libel/slander merely required a falsehood communicated to a third party which caused tangible damages.
None of this "malice" crap.
Bring that back, and the MSM is gone in a week.

 

[safetyfirst2125]

That “incredible value” amounted to zero federal gun control and only a few laws in very blue states like CT and NY

Conspiracies are movie bullshit, not real life. Every govt agency leaks like a sieve and gets made public. But you think a conspiracy where 20 little kids are killed would be kept private? Lol

Alex jones is a moron who scams people for a living. The only thing he’s ever zeroed in on is the ability to separate people with some mental issues, the gullible or just stupid people from their money. Jones is every bit the scammer Ponzi was, the snake oiled salesman of yore, Nigerian phone scam, etc.

He’s a joke.

He's a joke, agreed. But the Sandy Hook incident helped boost the gun grabber frenzy around each subsequent mass school shooting. Without Sandy Hook I don't think you could have had the celebrity of David Hogg, mass rallies and mass media saturation on the scale we saw in the wake of the Parkland shooting.

Each mass shooting school event pushes the response of the next one even further off the charts. The "big" ones seem to happen about every 5-6 years:

April 16, 2007 Blacksburg, Virginia 33 dead
December 14, 2012 Newtown, Connecticut 28 dead
February 14, 2018 Parkland, Florida 17 dead

That would put the next one on track for 2024. A presidential election year.

 

[Hoover]

He's a joke, agreed. But the Sandy Hook incident helped boost the gun grabber frenzy around each subsequent mass school shooting. Without Sandy Hook I don't think you could have had the celebrity of David Hogg, mass rallies and mass media saturation on the scale we saw in the wake of the Parkland shooting.

Each mass shooting school event pushes the response of the next one even further off the charts. The "big" ones seem to happen about every 5-6 years:

April 16, 2007 Blacksburg, Virginia 33 dead
December 14, 2012 Newtown, Connecticut 28 dead
February 14, 2018 Parkland, Florida 17 dead

That would put the next one on track for 2024. A presidential election year.

Pulse and LV were the biggest by far.

What happened after parkland? Nothing federally, a bad bill passed in FL. If Rick Scott were a true leader, that wouldn’t have happened.

In 2010 there were 2 constitutional carry states, now there are 24, GA will join soon, NE most likely this year and states like PA, LA, MI, WI, NC will with a GOP governor. SCOTUS is likely to make states shall issue regarding carry which will increase gun ownership in states like NY, CA, NJ and create millions more in pro2a minded people.

Anti gun groups hold rallies which get media attention for a few days and the 2 a side passes laws.

 

[drgrant]

He's a joke, agreed. But the Sandy Hook incident helped boost the gun grabber frenzy around each subsequent mass school shooting. Without Sandy Hook I don't think you could have had the celebrity of David Hogg, mass rallies and mass media saturation on the scale we saw in the wake of the Parkland shooting.

Each mass shooting school event pushes the response of the next one even further off the charts. The "big" ones seem to happen about every 5-6 years:

April 16, 2007 Blacksburg, Virginia 33 dead
December 14, 2012 Newtown, Connecticut 28 dead
February 14, 2018 Parkland, Florida 17 dead

That would put the next one on track for 2024. A presidential election year.

Lol and out of those three...

Virginia Tech didnt count.... Adults = MSM memetic death value = 0 If mostly adults die they cant get the hysteria and attention in the media. The level of maudlin schloque goes way
down, the only Adults that are allowed to get that level of maudlin schloque are pretty white girls, firefighters, cops and military folks who died while serving or in service. (and even those last 3 wont get the same kind of reverence as the pretty white girl).

Also with Newtown, not only did it backfire but the fear surrounding bans and confiscation literally transformed gun culture in america. a year or two after SH, no longer was the
average new shooter a legacy deal (family legacy brought up with guns) or hard core enthusiast. Before SH one or both was practically a de-facto requirement. Fast forward to 2022
and we have DROVES of "average" people going out and buying guns, going out, getting safety training, buying guns, etc etc ad nauseam.

 

[safetyfirst2125]

Lol and out of those three...

Virginia Tech didnt count.... Adults = MSM memetic death value = 0 If mostly adults die they cant get the hysteria and attention in the media. The level of maudlin schloque goes way
down, the only Adults that are allowed to get that level of maudlin schloque are pretty white girls, firefighters, cops and military folks who died while serving or in service. (and even those last 3 wont get the same kind of reverence as the pretty white girl).

Also with Newtown, not only did it backfire but the fear surrounding bans and confiscation literally transformed gun culture in america. a year or two after SH, no longer was the
average new shooter a legacy deal (family legacy brought up with guns) or hard core enthusiast. Before SH one or both was practically a de-facto requirement. Fast forward to 2022
and we have DROVES of "average" people going out and buying guns, going out, getting safety training, buying guns, etc etc ad nauseam.

Gonna go out a limb and predict the 2024 election year shooting now. If so, we'll get Hogg 2.0 and a media propaganda gun disarmament blitz leading up to November '24 that'll pale to anything we've had before. Now that they can cook elections, it won't matter for who's elected, but will pump up emotional support among suburban women and brainwashed youth for disarming America.

Call me paranoid. I don't trust these people. And I DO think they have a plan that ends with us dead or enslaved.

 

[drgrant]

Pulse and LV were the biggest by far.

A lot of those incidents are all nearly memory holed because of various factors including MSM value.

Examples

LV = Memory Holed because Vegas* and MGM f***ed up somewhere in the mix and everyone wanted it to go away, plus mostly adult victims
Pulse = shooter wrong religion (durka) and add in the gay nightclub thing and poor meme value with white people that watch too much tv nooz
San Bernadino = shooters wrong religion (durkas)
Navy Yard Shooting = shooter guy wrong skin color, gun too boring
Fort Hood Shooting = shooter wrong religion (durka)

*I love the city but there is a cultural thing that you know if you live or work there, or know people there. NOBODY really wants to stew on shit like that.... because it works against the entire premise of the city which is to generate revenue for the casinos, restauraunts and other industries there. I had a friend of mine that brought it up with a cab driver and I wanted to elbow my friend in the ribs.... IOW... "Dude nobody talks about, or wants to talk about that kind of shit around here, they were literally done with that after the bodies were carted off and the site got cleaned up".

 

[drgrant]

Gonna go out a limb and predict the 2024 election year shooting now. If so, we'll get Hogg 2.0 and a media propaganda gun disarmament blitz leading up to November '24 that'll pale to anything we've had before. Now that they can cook elections, it won't matter for who's elected, but will pump up emotional support among suburban women and brainwashed youth for disarming America.

Call me paranoid. I don't trust these people. And I DO think they have a plan that ends with us dead or enslaved.


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Lol antis have a tough memetic barrier to cross. They're going to need like a minimum of 100 warm toddler corpses. And the only people capable of pulling that
off are durkas. And if the durkas do it it will get flushed. (because MSM doesnt like talking about gun control and being forced to name an islamic person in the same
paragraph, its like little kids not stepping on cracks in the sidewalk or something)

Remember that thing that happened after 9/11 where nobody gave a shit about gun control for for like 12 years? That literally just happened again.

This entire country was held prisoner for like 2 years because of some shitty virus and a bunch of shit politicians, and a whole bunch of people died and got
injected with poison. Do you really think anyone is going to get "alarmed" by a lowly school shooting?

To reach the right memetic value a full on CLOWN WORLD event would be required. Think something like... "Headline.... : "White MTF transgender swimmer that still has
his testicles/dick intact, sets off a one 1KT russian leaked suitcase nuke in a preschool after having a court decide that he is legally not a woman for the purposes of an athletic competition" type of event.

I'm honestly at a point whree I don't f***ing care what these people think. We will end winning in the long run, one way or another. More and more people are getting pissed. that doesnt just "go away" .

Bring it on. Ultimately we'll end up f***ing the shit out of those people, and maybe sell another 10 million guns in the process to another million
new and existing gun owners.

Also BTW as election fodder in a presidential election? Gun control is a worthless topic. Big dump cities want it, thats the end of
that. Those, most of them are all going dem anyways. So you end up with a zero change scenario there. The MSM likes to paint this "most people
agree on gun control" thing but they clearly don't, as the past 20 years has shown. Nobody is buying into that trope anymore.

 

[safetyfirst2125]

Lol antis have a tough memetic barrier to cross. They're going to need like a minimum of 100 warm toddler corpses. And the only people capable of pulling that
off are durkas. And if the durkas do it it will get flushed. (because MSM doesnt like talking about gun control and being forced to name an islamic person in the same
paragraph, its like little kids not stepping on cracks in the sidewalk or something)

Remember that thing that happened after 9/11 where nobody gave a shit about gun control for for like 12 years? That literally just happened again.

This entire country was held prisoner for like 2 years because of some shitty virus and a bunch of shit politicians, and a whole bunch of people died and got
injected with poison. Do you really think anyone is going to get "alarmed" by a lowly school shooting?

To reach the right memetic value a full on CLOWN WORLD event would be required. Think something like... "Headline.... : "White MTF transgender swimmer that still has
his testicles/dick intact, sets off a one 1KT russian leaked suitcase nuke in a preschool after having a court decide that he is legally not a woman for the purposes of an athletic competition" type of event.

I'm honestly at a point whree I don't f***ing care what these people think. We will end winning in the long run, one way or another. More and more people are getting pissed. that doesnt just "go away" .

Bring it on. Ultimately we'll end up f***ing the shit out of those people, and maybe sell another 10 million guns in the process to another million
new and existing gun owners.

Also BTW as election fodder in a presidential election? Gun control is a worthless topic. Big dump cities want it, thats the end of
that. Those, most of them are all going dem anyways. So you end up with a zero change scenario there. The MSM likes to paint this "most people
agree on gun control" thing but they clearly don't, as the past 20 years has shown. Nobody is buying into that trope anymore.

I hope you’re right.

 

[drgrant]

I hope you’re right.

On a macro level I am not nearly as concerned about guns as other things like inflation, the dollar becoming worthless, prospect of possible 10 dollar
gasoline, or insidious other shit like the Social Credit ESR thing that @76Too was talking about the other day, or any number of other
insidious "end around" attacks they can use against people like us. Like the fact that there are a bunch of J6 people in jail for mostly meaningless crap,
or crap that anywhere else in some other context wouldnt have been more than a fine and probation.

 

[AHM]

(Still punchable).

 

[Reptile]

Infowars Article

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[Hoover]

Infowars Article

Infowars: There's a War on for your Mind!

www.infowars.com

So now he’s saying they’re dead kids and not actors? Jones is really stupid in this lawsuit. He’s been blowing off the court ordered deposition for a very long time and the judge imposed fines him for refusing to do the deposition.

He had a very sketchy doctor whose license was suspended in several states and pending a hearing for suspension in Florida to write a letter claiming jones is too I’ll to sit for the deposition, to travel to Connecticut etc.

At the moment he had his lawyers in court arguing before a federal judge in Connecticut that he was too I’ll to sit for a deposition even if it were done in Texas or maybe even by zoom, jones was live for his info wars show and broadcast for hours. The judge was not amused and is rapidly losing patience with jones.

If jones thinks he can plays games with a federal judge and blow off the deposition, he’s going to be spanked hard.

 

[Hoover]

Info wars filed for bankruptcy Analysis: What does Infowars’ bankruptcy filing mean?

 

[xtry51]

So now he’s saying they’re dead kids and not actors? Jones is really stupid in this lawsuit. He’s been blowing off the court ordered deposition for a very long time and the judge imposed fines him for refusing to do the deposition.

He had a very sketchy doctor whose license was suspended in several states and pending a hearing for suspension in Florida to write a letter claiming jones is too I’ll to sit for the deposition, to travel to Connecticut etc.

At the moment he had his lawyers in court arguing before a federal judge in Connecticut that he was too I’ll to sit for a deposition even if it were done in Texas or maybe even by zoom, jones was live for his info wars show and broadcast for hours. The judge was not amused and is rapidly losing patience with jones.

If jones thinks he can plays games with a federal judge and blow off the deposition, he’s going to be spanked hard.

He changed his story as facts came out. This false narrative that he still thinks it was a hoax or was perpetuating a hoax are media lies. Go back and watch his interviews for years.

 

[Hoover]

He changed his story as facts came out. This false narrative that he still thinks it was a hoax or was perpetuating a hoax are media lies. Go back and watch his interviews for years.

I think his words changed as the legal risks presented themselves. He didn’t believe the hoax nor any of the other crap he spouts, he pushed the hoax for attention and ultimately get clicks/viewers and make money. He’s a conman like ponzi was 100 years ago

 

[xtry51]

I think his words changed as the legal risks presented themselves. He didn’t believe the hoax nor any of the other crap he spouts, he pushed the hoax for attention and ultimately get clicks/viewers and make money. He’s a conman like ponzi was 100 years ago

Anybody of the other crap he spouts huh? Do you have any idea how often he is right?

 

[free]

Anybody of the other crap he spouts huh? Do you have any idea how often he is right?

Yes- zero often.

 

[xtry51]

Yes- zero often.

So he was wrong about the Grove? He was wrong about Epstein? He was wrong about China harvesting organs? He was wrong about genetic chimera testing?

You know how I'm 100% sure you never listen to AJ or investigate what he's talking about and instead just "trust the news"? Because you dismiss reality to fit your narrative.

 

[free]

So he was wrong about the Grove? He was wrong about Epstein? He was wrong about China harvesting organs? He was wrong about genetic chimera testing?

You know how I'm 100% sure you never listen to AJ or investigate what he's talking about and instead just "trust the news"? Because you dismiss reality to fit your narrative.

Lol, ok.

 

[xtry51]

Lol, ok.

See. No facts given in response. Just skirt away from the discussion since you clearly aren't prepared to discuss reality.

 

[drgrant]

I think his words changed as the legal risks presented themselves. He didn’t believe the hoax nor any of the other crap he spouts, he pushed the hoax for attention and ultimately get clicks/viewers and make money. He’s a conman like ponzi was 100 years ago

Lets not lose sight of the fact though that most MSM largely does the same thing, with a slightly better veneer. Most "news" is curated off attention whoring, etc. Spinning real events to elicit an emotional response is often worse than pushing fake stuff like he does.

 

[xtry51]

Lets not lose sight of the fact though that most MSM largely does the same thing, with a slightly better veneer. Most "news" is curated off attention whoring, etc. Spinning real events to elicit an emotional response is often worse than pushing fake stuff like he does.

This is my primary point. You can't sue AJ and win if I can't go sue ABC for calling me a racist voter.

 

[drgrant]

So he was wrong about the Grove? He was wrong about Epstein? He was wrong about China harvesting organs? He was wrong about genetic chimera testing?

You know how I'm 100% sure you never listen to AJ or investigate what he's talking about and instead just "trust the news"? Because you dismiss reality to fit your narrative.

AJ is wrong probably 60? % of the time but the stuff he hits on ends up being a big deal. It's just difficult for people to get past the "Jade Helm operations beneath Walmart nationwide" stuff.

The MSM is slowly catching up though. "Trump russia collusion" garbage amongst other things. Not to mention they all practically jerked off for a minute when Juicy Smoilliet was "attacked" etc.

Alex Jones ain't the only guy around with lies/disinfo as part of his programming.

 

[Hoover]

Lets not lose sight of the fact though that most MSM largely does the same thing, with a slightly better veneer. Most "news" is curated off attention whoring, etc. Spinning real events to elicit an emotional response is often worse than pushing fake stuff like he does.

Definitely. The more political a story, the more they will selectively “report” or outright make up a fake narrative
That hunter biden laptop story was clearly real when the NY post reported on it, they had many sources some on the record and plenty of physical evidence. But the “intelligence “ group and media labeled it Russian propaganda. They knew exactly what they were doing and knew it was a lie.

 

[Hoover]

This is my primary point. You can't sue AJ and win if I can't go sue ABC for calling me a racist voter.

If a media company defames you, yes you can sue. If they say white peoples are racist, or trump voters, no you can’t sue be it’s not targeted att you enough. Look at Nick sandman, he sued and they all settled. Johnny dept is suing his crazy ex wife right now.

 

[enbloc]