Doc, what’s up with snooping? Pediatrician paranoia runs deep

If you have kids its good to teach them not to be blabbing about your collection anyway. It wouldn't do if your 1st grader is telling all his classmates about the AK-47 you just bought, and how well it shoots. Same thing applies to anyone else who asks about them.
 
Pediatricians

C-pher said:
When do they start asking these questions? I've been with our Pedi for four years now, and none of these questions have ever come up... Not even when we first filled out the paperwork.
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Michael Graham was talking about this same topic this morning on WTTK. His 13yr. olds DR. asked her about her parents drinking habits. He also stated that a DR. had asked his 7yr. old if there were any guns in the house. Graham said the AMA encourages this line of questioning and uses the excuse that it`s for the childs safety.
BEWARE!
 
rwl1955 said:
it`s for the childs safety.
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It sure is; parents should keep a gun in the house and know how to use it! With the rising incidence of home invasions and coyotes spreading all over, doctors should be telling their patients to arm themselves.

Oh, wait... never mind. The above would assume that the doctors were both competent AND had the true welfare of their minor patients in mind rather than pushing a political agenda.
 
I showed this article to my kids. My 13 year-old son got pissed when he read it. He told me that if his doctor asked any of those questions, his answer will be the same one he always gives when someone asks a personal question - "It's none of your business."
 
EddieCoyle said:
I showed this article to my kids. My 13 year-old son got pissed when he read it. He told me that if his doctor asked any of those questions, his answer will be the same one he always gives when someone asks a personal question - "It's none of your business."
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Except the doctor will probably assume you've threatened to beat him unless he says that; and will probably call child services regardless. [thinking]
 
Yeah, here's how the conversation would go:

DSS: Hello, Department of Social Services, Hillary Moonbat speaking.

DOCTOR: Hi, I'd like to lodge a complaint about the father of one of my 13 year-old male patients.

DSS: Goody! What's wrong with the kid? Broken bones?

DOCTOR: Um, no.

DSS: Cigarette burns, scars, bruises, drug abuse?

DOCTOR: No, no, no, and no.

DSS: OK, emotional abuse. Any depression? Is the child doing poorly in school?

DOCTOR: No. He seems like a happy kid, and he's a straight-A student.

DSS: OK then, what's the trouble?

DOCTOR: He was not forthcoming when I asked if his father owned firearms.

DSS: Not what?

DOCTOR: Forthcoming.

DSS: Um, Okaaaay. We'll... get... right... on... that.
 
DR`s

We live in the Nanny State. They don`t trust us to own anything that could hurt us or someone else. Tobacco,guns,booze,motorcycles,etc. We should all sell our cars and use public transportation or ride our bicycles. These people are no fun!
 
Devils advocate: Do you really think that the visit with your pediatrician is about YOU. No that's why you took your kid to a pediatrician. Stop being so paranoid, they are trying to assess your child's health and potential risks to their health...not trying to make you feel bad about your parenting style.

Standard of care in most states mandates this interview to screen for high risk behavior kids may not want to tell their parents (drug use, suicidal thoughts, depression, sexual behavior...etc.). The pediatrician should not be filling their head with propaganda, only assessing for things your kids may not want to tell YOU for various reasons (think about your childhood...), and they can offer them further support if needed. Fact is you can sue them if they conduct this interview with your child and you can sew them if they don't...as an MD they're screwed either and any which way.

The peditrician can only legally report the presence of physical or psychologic abuse, or potential thereof, and the presence of STD's. The rest is privileged private info and you can sue them if it comes up anywhere outside of the doctor-patient relationship. They don't care how many times the child has seen you screwing from the chandelier or how much you drink, honestly (if you feel guilty about it then no more upside-down drunken orgys in front of the kids)...they are humans as well with the same habits we all have. If they get preachy it's because they think their style may be better...consider it as a suggestion and move on with your life. If they preach about guns in the house realize that is like you telling your surgeon how to fix a hernia...unless they're gun owners themselves realize their insight is limited and move on. Believe me they are not rich or making a ton of money (they start at 50-60K/year these days in most states thanks to insurance co's, the legal suystem, and parasitic business folk).

Doctors are regulated a lot more than you think...there is no more free thought allowed by MD's in medicine anymore as there are as many regulating bodies in medicine as there are hospitals...the MA gun laws and regs pale in comparison to those in medicine.

Just playing devils advocate here...MD's by nature oppose guns, but only an enlightened few understand what responsible gun ownership entails and means and are shunned by their own profession because they are to "do no harm" [to others] as rule numero uno...the rest get their opinion from the mass media and the dead gang-bangers they see in the ER's during medical training. They can not affect your ability to own guns from these interviews unless you are abusing your kids with them or are obviously putting them in danger (like pointing the gun at them)...but the interview for you as a parent is potentially more helpful than harmful, and in most cases really does nothing for anyone involved.
 
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Do they ask the kids if Mom and Dad speed? Probably kills and injures more kids than a legally-owned and properly stored firearm.

Went to see a doc a few months ago when my back was acting up and asked him if going shooting the next weekend was going to have a bad effect on the recovery. Thought he was going to crap his pants when I brought up the subject. He asks, "Are the guns locked up so your kids won't touch them?" He definitely crapped a little when I replied that I was going shooting WITH the kids!
 
I brought my Garand into my optometrist's office when I went to order a new pair of glasses so that he could see how to have them ground. [smile]
 
Reading all of this leaves me with a feeling that no word matches or meets. It is so easy to exploit a young child, and in the name of protection in the extreme, it is no more than the same exploitation.
 
I've been awaiting the question with my girls docs as well. Hasn't come though. Would be kind of funny seeing as I am usually sitting on one in the examination room.

Question: do you have any guns in the house?
Answer: Of course, how else would I protect my family?

It would be interesting to see where she went from there.
 
Pilgrim said:
Regardless of what you say, it is none of their business what I do and they have no right to get your kid to rat on you. Can you say Nazi?
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My sister is a pediatrician. We grew up with guns in the house, skeet shooting, hunting...etc. so she has no problem with it, but most MD's aren't comfortable with the subject so when they go to give you "advice" about it just take it with a grain of salt is all I'm saying.

The private chat with your kid initially was just to find out if your kid was coming home daily from school only to have the sh*t kicked out of him/her. Then a bunch of bureaucrats came in with good intentions and added a whole bunch of feel-good BS to this part of the exam and made it mandatory because it looks good that they are doing a "complete" evaluation of kids. And there's a checklist of topics that HAVE to be covered during the visit in order for the f-ing insurance company to pay the hospital the $8 they reimburse for the visit--otherwise the hospital/clinic doesn't get paid.

None of the info gleaned from that private discussion can be used against you except abuse or potential abuse. It is not meant to extort other info from your kids about you so the pediatricians can tell the government.

If you can change the way pediatricians are reimbursed and get this touchy-feely crap out of the "required for reimbursement" thing then it will go away...otherwise it is in our healthcare system forever...and Hillary ain't gonna fix it either 'cuz she's in bed with insurance cos, so it will only get worse (but if she is elected then one should invest in medical insurance companies because they will do quite well)

Anyway enough, like packingungal suggests it is all a cat and mouse game no matter which way anyone presents it...and not all pediatricians are nazis...
 
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by rhk118: most MD's aren't comfortable with the subject so when they go to give you "advice" about it just take it with a grain of salt is all I'm saying.
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They have NO right to give you advice about ANYTHING but medicine, especially when they use your children to get info about you.. Anything more is a blatantly arrogant act.

I'm sorry but your attitude is exactly what the commies who want to ruin this country are looking for to carry out their plan.
 
I don't think my attitude is as bad as you think...although maybe it is and I just don't realize it.

The problem is the commies are running medicine and it trickles down to the docs at the front lines because they don't get paid if they don't do all the BS they are forced to do these days, so they comply. By law they can't unionize so they have little political clout either to change anything.

The thoughts on medicine are more holistic these days encompassing not just the individual but their environment...so if kids live in an old house with lead paint that also has radon and dust mites and both parents are smoking in said house and all the kids get to eat is crap then they will become obese asthmatics with lung cancer who also turn into diabetics by age 35 and will die prematurely of heart or kidney failure....none of which was really their choice...but all these factors help determine health so therefore it is encompassed in medicine...and since medicine can only really treat a few things successfully they can only focus on prevention.

OK you're right...I do sound like a commie....all I'm trying to say is all pediatricians aren't a$$holes like me.
 
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rhk118 said:
The problem is the commies are running medicine and it trickles down to the docs at the front lines because they don't get paid if they don't do all the BS they are forced to do these days, so they comply. By law they can't unionize so they have little political clout either to change anything.
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How do you come to this conclusion? The AAP doesn't control reimbursement, licensure, or anything else. Membership is totally voluntary, just as membership in the AMA is. Doctors are completely free to ask or not ask these and other questions. The BS they are forced to do relates to insurance (public or private) reimbursement, not social policy questions.

Doctors maybe can't unionize, but they sure can and do join advocacy groups. A lot of what the AMA, AAP, and other associations do is lobby for and against legislation that might affect them.

The thoughts on medicine are more holistic these days encompassing not just the individual but their environment...so if kids live in an old house with lead paint that also has radon and dust mites and both parents are smoking in said house and all the kids get to eat is crap then they will become obese asthmatics with lung cancer who also turn into diabetics by age 35 and will die prematurely of heart or kidney failure....none of which was really their choice...but all these factors help determine health so therefore it is encompassed in medicine...and since medicine can only really treat a few things successfully they can only focus on prevention.
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This is part of the ever growing expansion of "public health" into areas in which it has no business. It's another form of creeping socialism. The first step was to try to determine "the scope of the problem". Then came the "advice to parents" part. Now, it's "legislate for the good of the children". Next it will be "if you smoke, we're going to report you for child neglect". The last part has started in the schools where some systems have threatened to report parents who don't want their kids medicated to DSS.

I know I sound paranoid, but the truth is that there are a lot of organizations out there that are pushing the "it takes a village" model of child rearing.

Gary
 
rhk118 said:
Devils advocate: Do you really think that the visit with your pediatrician is about YOU. No that's why you took your kid to a pediatrician. Stop being so paranoid, they are trying to assess your child's health and potential risks to their health...not trying to make you feel bad about your parenting style.

Standard of care in most states mandates this interview to screen for high risk behavior kids may not want to tell their parents (drug use, suicidal thoughts, depression, sexual behavior...etc.). The pediatrician should not be filling their head with propaganda, only assessing for things your kids may not want to tell YOU for various reasons (think about your childhood...), and they can offer them further support if needed. Fact is you can sue them if they conduct this interview with your child and you can sew them if they don't...as an MD they're screwed either and any which way.

The peditrician can only legally report the presence of physical or psychologic abuse, or potential thereof, and the presence of STD's. The rest is privileged private info and you can sue them if it comes up anywhere outside of the doctor-patient relationship. They don't care how many times the child has seen you screwing from the chandelier or how much you drink, honestly (if you feel guilty about it then no more upside-down drunken orgys in front of the kids)...they are humans as well with the same habits we all have. If they get preachy it's because they think their style may be better...consider it as a suggestion and move on with your life. If they preach about guns in the house realize that is like you telling your surgeon how to fix a hernia...unless they're gun owners themselves realize their insight is limited and move on. Believe me they are not rich or making a ton of money (they start at 50-60K/year these days in most states thanks to insurance co's, the legal suystem, and parasitic business folk).

Doctors are regulated a lot more than you think...there is no more free thought allowed by MD's in medicine anymore as there are as many regulating bodies in medicine as there are hospitals...the MA gun laws and regs pale in comparison to those in medicine.

Just playing devils advocate here...MD's by nature oppose guns, but only an enlightened few understand what responsible gun ownership entails and means and are shunned by their own profession because they are to "do no harm" [to others] as rule numero uno...the rest get their opinion from the mass media and the dead gang-bangers they see in the ER's during medical training. They can not affect your ability to own guns from these interviews unless you are abusing your kids with them or are obviously putting them in danger (like pointing the gun at them)...but the interview for you as a parent is potentially more helpful than harmful, and in most cases really does nothing for anyone involved.
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I took my kids to the pediatrician to assess their body health. I'll decide who else I want
to evaluate their other needs, not him.
 
Was it Stalin that referred to leftist elite in the western world as "useful idiots"?

I think it's natural and proper for parents to be very sensitive to what doctors ask about in private and what doctors do with that information. The default position should be "doctors shouldn't ask about that" unless there is a compelling reason why that information cannot be gotten from an adult AND a compelling reason why a child would feel uncomfortable answering the question in front of their parents.

I can understand psychological and physical abuse, but that's about it. And even then, such allegations need to be take with a huge grain of salt. Allegations should be taken seriously, but only as a starting point of investigation and not the end.

You can ask the parent about all of the other environmental questions. If you're going to make it mandatory, you're probably better off forcing the doctor to skip the questions altogether and simply hand out a pamphlet telling parents all the things they should/shouldn't do. This would be more productive as it would be received as a recommendation rather than a mandate or an interrogation. And parents could then take that information and do whatever they feel is best.

Some people might say:

Living in an old house with lead paint isn't that bad if you don't eat the paint.

The number of houses with radon or elevated levels of carbon monoxide seem pretty small and the recent carbon monoxide detector legislation seems like a nice way to transfer money from citizens to detector manufacturers.

Dust mites are simply a fact of life. People live in filthy homes with tons of pets and had no problem. Maybe more kids are allergic because their environments are so antiseptic? Maybe it's because people have a slight sensitivity and never "suck it up" anymore.

More and more people are dubious of the effects of second hand smoke. My mother smoked a pack a day from birth (and during birth). Somehow, I have not yet died from lung cancer.

Maybe it's just me, but I think people go way overboard with health concerns. Most of the science is "thin" and based on studies. The studies change from year to year. Remember when eggs were bad for you? And then the next year they were good for you?

People need to feel like they can make their own decisions about this sort of stuff IMO and doctors shouldn't need to discuss any of it unless people ask about it. If you think you've got an issue and every person in the US should change the way you live, that's great - tell everyone about it and I'm 100% behind you. If what you say really makes sense and you spend enough time telling people about it, people will change the way they live on their own.

People that strongly advocate that doctor's intrude more are wrong and harmful IMO. People that don't strongly advocate it, but say things like "I don't necessarily agree, but how bad could it be" and go along with it are useful idiots for people who are wrong and harmful.
 
Rhk118,
Is there is anything in a child’s life, including everything to with their parents, that could not be construed as having a “potential risk(s) to their (a child’s) health” by an intrusive government or their agents?

No I don’t think so.


Respectfully,

jkelly
 
rhk118 said:
, they are trying to assess your child's health and potential risks to their health...
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Are you honestly this naive?

Lest I wasn't clear before, I will shut the doctor right up if he or she so much as strays an inch from strictly medical topics.

Safety advice is not what I pay them for.
 

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