The fact that some one wants to know who I voted for in one presidental election and will decide how he feels about me based on one vote is the very reason why I am independent. It is the same as single issue voters its partisan bs
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democrats for gun ownership
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ChevyGuy91
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Between you and that pickle wheel guy joining, NES's collective IQ must have skyrocketed. Thank you for being so political savvy and intellectually superior.
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Exactly, every democrat you vote for will vote on a gun ban bill for instance, whether or not they actively advocate for such a thing.
My writing skills suck I am dyslexic if you go back on the introduction pages of this forum I forwarned you folks! Awsome at taking a shot at my intelligence maybe because I own a few guns and a big pickup truck you can guess the size of my unit as well
Welcome to the forum. We generalize because in the northeast the majority of dems are against gun ownership, where as the rest of the country the dems are just as big of gun owners as republicans though the media may try to hide that. Voting democrat in this region will get you an anti 95% of the time, next time you vote democrat check out their stance on your second amendment rights before casting your vote.
Why shouldn't someone? When the result of your vote (and people who voted the same as you) is directly linked to the loss of their hard earned dollars, rights, etc then everyone should take it personally. If the people we elected couldn't hurt our life, liberty, and property, no one would care who you voted for.
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45collector
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Well I'm sorry for your condition and won't make any assumptions about your "unit" based on anything, because I have no interest in your "unit".
You joined this forum (a firearms forum, remember?) and in short order, started a thread trying to tell us how not all democrats are bad. Well that may be true, but again, you're preaching on a FIREARMS FORUM!!!!! Your spelling and grammar are horrific and regardless of what mental disability you have, you're going to catch a lot of hell for it because of your content. It's just not going to end well. This is already an "out yourself" thread, and I'm looking forward to seeing it on the list of Epic Threads as well.
cerfur, my experience is that most democrats support gun control. They use a lot of cute phrases, like "reasonable" and "common sense," but ultimately they want control. I'm sure there are democrats who support gun rights, so they get that part right. The problem is that they get so many other parts wrong.
As to the part I bolded: all of our elected offices have term limits. They're called elections. If the electorate is so stupid that they keep putting the same people back in office that are screwing them, then the voters deserve what they get. Term limits are just another way to try to protect people from their own stupidity. One thing I've learned is that you can't fix stupid, especially by passing laws.
THANK YOU!!!!!!
and yes i always look into someones stance on 2a before i vote as well as about 6 other important issues to me!
All I am trying to do here is point out that there are democrats who feel the same way we do about guns and 2A they even have a lobby for it If you guys are big 2A supporters and often back and throw money behind organizations like the NRA and GOAL here is one more that you MIGHT want to put some money behind
After i post this you would think I came out and said i was antigun or a democrat or both I am not I am a independent who votes both sides when i see fit..I would hope that if you met someone with a NRA sticker and a Elephant sticker on there car that you wouldn't imedatly... Start to flame them they are on your side on one of your biggest issues turns out there not all bad....I expected to open up a can of worms but really didnt expect everyone to come to the conclusion that i am a closet democrat i am dumb and i must have voted for obama because I like most independents dont tell you who the hell I vote ofr
Ever hear of Fast & Furious? Blatant attempt by Obama and company to reinstate the "assault weapons" ban of 94 - or worse, if they could manage it. They were willing to allow hundreds of deaths, including Americans, to falsely claim we were the main suppliers for the Mexican drug cartels. He is absolutely anti-gun - in the Illinois legislature and the U.S. senate. If he's reelected we're in deep $hit.
CAESAR
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Are you for real? "I don't really belive he is anti gun"!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guess why the prices on Russian rifles are up? Because they were banned from import. Now guess why!
Oh and I suppose you have not seen this: http://www.dickmorris.com/us-will-sign-gun-control-treaty-on-july-27-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert
Oh and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWajf5RkDJ8&feature=related ("..just because you have a right doesn't mean you can exercise it..."
.... ahhh should I continue? Maybe not. Because this post is going to be so big that it will crush this PRO GUN forum's database.
WAKE UP PAL!!!
I am really not convinced that they wanted fast and furious to go wrong i believe it was a stupid idea i dont belive they had the foresight to see it going to crap and using that to attack our second amendment rights....But lets look at it this way mcain is about as close to a independent you can get to in this country so if you think about it who the hell do you think I voter for
Coyote Hunter
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How could F&F go right? Lets funnel guns to mexican cartels, how is that going to help prevent crime in any way? McCain was barely better than obama, it really came down to amount of experience really, obama had none and it shows.
Both parties have succeeded in dividing us. Rather than the people either supporting an issue or not, they have told us if you are X, than you have to be Y. You have to decide in this system what issues are most important, because unless we tear up this BS 2 party system you will not likely fit either party well.
I am a pro gay marriage, anti war, anti corporate welfare guy. I am also a anti social welfare, pro gun, pro liberty, pro capitalism, pro constitutionalist. Where do I fit? No where. Because I believe gays should be able to marry, not by the government granting it and instead by ways of the government shouldnt be involved in marriage at all, I don't fit in either party. Because I am against foreign intervention and senseless wars, but also against foreign aid, I fit in neither party. Because I am against both kinds of welfare, I fit nowhere.
Our leaders do not listen to us. If they did Obamacare would not have passed. The democrats have proven, they are only party driven, by passing a bill a huge majority of people didnt want.
Republicans do the same thing on their pet legislation.
Neither side is your friend.
If big government is more important than gun ownership vote for Democrats. If guns are more important than senseless wars and nation building, then vote republican. You are going to get screwed either way.
Pro-gun ownership and Pro-gun are NOT the same animal. Yes, lots of Dem's support the right to own 1 highly taxed, highly regulated, old and outdated, disassembled, locked up in a safe antiquated long gun of THEIR choosing.
Well the fact that so many of you Sons of Liberty are on the attack because you equate the 2A and gun control as a partisan issue when it is really a civil rights issue. The pols in this country have turned it into one. There are pro-gun Democrats and anti-gun Republicans, some of these pro-gun Democrats are in the Mass General Court (state legislature to you non-Ma**h***s). If you don't believe that, simply look at the GOAL ratings for each office holder or candidate.
The main problem with a lot of the Sons of Liberty out there is that they want you to lock-step on every other issue with them. Conservative Sons of Liberty are a total disaster because they want you to conform to their societal norms just like the liberal Sons of Liberty want me to conform to their societal norms which makes them a total disaster. The difference is merely content, but the agenda is exactly the same where some Son of Liberty is going to tell me what is best for me.
Frankly, this thread will not end well. Many of you have failed to realize that by taking the high road and pushing your own agenda, you are only alienating people who support you on the 2A.
I have reached the point in my own voting, where 2A position is the only position that makes a difference to me. The reason is quite simple, ownership of a firearm is the only guarantee of my own personal liberty and safety and those of my loved ones. I will vote in the Presidential election for the person who is a member of the NRA and only because of that. The Republican candidate is now a Life Member (but he could flip-flop and join the Brady Bunch six months after being elected), if tomorrow the incumbent Democrat raised the ante and became an Endowment Member (not highly likely), he would get my vote, it is as simple as that.
I do not vote issues anymore, I vote what is for me, THE ISSUE. YMMV.
The main problem with a lot of the Sons of Liberty out there is that they want you to lock-step on every other issue with them. Conservative Sons of Liberty are a total disaster because they want you to conform to their societal norms just like the liberal Sons of Liberty want me to conform to their societal norms which makes them a total disaster. The difference is merely content, but the agenda is exactly the same where some Son of Liberty is going to tell me what is best for me.
Frankly, this thread will not end well. Many of you have failed to realize that by taking the high road and pushing your own agenda, you are only alienating people who support you on the 2A.
I have reached the point in my own voting, where 2A position is the only position that makes a difference to me. The reason is quite simple, ownership of a firearm is the only guarantee of my own personal liberty and safety and those of my loved ones. I will vote in the Presidential election for the person who is a member of the NRA and only because of that. The Republican candidate is now a Life Member (but he could flip-flop and join the Brady Bunch six months after being elected), if tomorrow the incumbent Democrat raised the ante and became an Endowment Member (not highly likely), he would get my vote, it is as simple as that.
I do not vote issues anymore, I vote what is for me, THE ISSUE. YMMV.
me too and i'm still laughing......
Just make sure that you stay in MA where you can't pollute the rest of the pool with your socialist manifesto.
Not that Republicans are any better in practice, but at least they pretend to be pro-BOR. You, on the other hand, openly admit being a member of the party that is not hiding the fact that it seeks to destroy all individual rights as defined in the constitution.
Here is a big FU from a free stater.
Not that Republicans are any better in practice, but at least they pretend to be pro-BOR. You, on the other hand, openly admit being a member of the party that is not hiding the fact that it seeks to destroy all individual rights as defined in the constitution.
Here is a big FU from a free stater.
For the last two centuries, democrats have been banning guns and Republicans have ranged from pro gun to apathetic. Very apathetic since 1968, they gave up trying to fight the Kennedy mourners who went full retard banning guns and tried to soft pedal "hunter's rights."
To say otherwise about the democrats is deluding yourself - period.
They started with their gun bans as openly racist laws intend to ensure the people they treated as second class citizens, or worse, weren't armed. Then as that became untenable, they shifted to a more subtle, but still racist approach to keeping "the little people" disarmed and poor.
Unfortunately, the republican party went this way eventually too with the Christian coalition, who, in many ways/instances, were the democrats who defected in protest after the civil rights movement, which is why we don't want them.
So, while I can fully understand (though disagree with) voting "against" the patriot act, sex life regulating, family values republicans, I do not buy this new argument that democrats aren't gun grabbers.
They have always been the "mob rule" party relying on useful idiots to swell their ranks and between the living and the dead, pushing their agenda on everyone else.
They have always been the party of the elite using, "one half of he poor to kill the other."
Tell me you were trying to vote against the patriot act and didn't look hard enough at Barry to realize he was a big supporter of it and worse and I can forgive your naïveté. Try to sell me a line that democrats aren't so bad and I will say you are FOS and history disagrees.
To say otherwise about the democrats is deluding yourself - period.
They started with their gun bans as openly racist laws intend to ensure the people they treated as second class citizens, or worse, weren't armed. Then as that became untenable, they shifted to a more subtle, but still racist approach to keeping "the little people" disarmed and poor.
Unfortunately, the republican party went this way eventually too with the Christian coalition, who, in many ways/instances, were the democrats who defected in protest after the civil rights movement, which is why we don't want them.
So, while I can fully understand (though disagree with) voting "against" the patriot act, sex life regulating, family values republicans, I do not buy this new argument that democrats aren't gun grabbers.
They have always been the "mob rule" party relying on useful idiots to swell their ranks and between the living and the dead, pushing their agenda on everyone else.
They have always been the party of the elite using, "one half of he poor to kill the other."
Tell me you were trying to vote against the patriot act and didn't look hard enough at Barry to realize he was a big supporter of it and worse and I can forgive your naïveté. Try to sell me a line that democrats aren't so bad and I will say you are FOS and history disagrees.
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i don't want to be rude, but have you ever hear of arah Brady, well ya
see she and her husband have a vandetta, to eliminate guns from
private ownership forever and to recall all of them and have them
destroyed, heard of Australia.... so don't come here and tell us
that Obama is a nice guy, cause he's a Chicago thug, check out who
his friends are,,,, OH word has it that he told Sarah that F&F would
be a way to blame gun shops and us.... if i were you i would do some
research and get your head out of the sand.
JimB
as for all who feel the thread is going to be closed your probably right but it is now looking a lot more the way I thought it would, with alot of the last few comments actually being thoughtful instead of mud slinging and calling me dumb ..... as the free for all stopped after I posted that as a independent I most likely voted for the candidate that was basically a independent running on a republican ticket mostly because he is forced to.. There was a great unfortunately single season tv show about a independent vp who became president and how Washington wont allow that to happen called Commander and Chief..
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