Dem wins Kentucky Governor's Race Again

[M1911]

Our Republican Party Leaders think putting up a RINO to win is better than trying and losing with a real conservative. Its not.

Thats where we disagree. Losing is losing. The point of running for office is to win that office so you can than change legislation, regulations, etc.

 

[Mark from MA]

Thats where we disagree. Losing is losing. The point of running for office is to win that office so you can than change legislation, regulations, etc.

Explain how a RINO getting in will change any legislation with most of the house and senate being 90% composed of democrats? Are you talking about Romney passing gun control?

They are a figurehead to be mocked at, ridiculed and blamed when the dems pass dump legislation and it doesn't work. They are being USED by the democrats is all they get voted in for.
The reason the media loved Charlie was because the Democrats had him by his little tiny beta balls and they allowed it for the sake of saying the words "passed with bipartisan legislation". Oh! Look, MA isn't a one party state, they have a Republican governor! Everything is fair and equitable there!

How is it better? You think Charlie would have any effect on the bullshit that is going to be passed right now? Charlie hated gun owners. GMAFB.

Accepting a RINO is accepting mediocrity and no change because compromise to the Democrats means one way only.

Until this shit burns down there will be no change, but I'll admit there are also not enough voters left here worth a shit to make any change either, and/or they are importing more votes every day paid to live here with our tax money.

As Grendizer said...same shit is happening in our country too...just not as fast. But the Federally the Republican Party is certainly just as dysfunctional as the idiots Republican Party leaders in MA are.

 

[M1911]

Explain how a RINO getting in will change any legislation with most of the house and senate being democrats? Are you talking about Romney passing gun control?

They are a figurehead to be mocked at, ridiculed and blamed when the dems pass dump legislation and it doesn't work.

Because a progressive Democrat is worse. Look at the current gun control legislation on Beacon Hill.

 

[Grendizer138]

Because a progressive Democrat is worse. Look at the current gun control legislation on Beacon Hill.

It’s cute that you don’t think Baker would sign it.

 

[Mark from MA]

Because a progressive Democrat is worse. Look at the current gun control legislation on Beacon Hill.

So this is what your telling me...........When the Bruen decision came down, your telling me that the fxckheads in the house, wouldn't have crafted a horrible gun control bill and passed it in the house, because Charlie was in there?

Your delusional.

Your also telling me if the Senate and House passed it he wouldn't sign it? Totally out of your mind....he would fxck us hard, and they would rejoice at the Bipartisan gun control bill.

Put the Dem in charge, blame them 100%. Lets not muddy the waters....bring it. Get it over with. Maybe people will wake the fxck up with 0 R's to blame for it!

Doubt it....too many retards, takers, state union employees and sucks on the system who's votes are bought and paid for....but at least try it.

RINO's got us where we are with the go along to get along bend over and take it bullshit, that is just erosion of our rights in little pieces..........they will get us nowhere. Never have, never will.

 

[granitestater]

It’s cute that you don’t think Baker would sign it.

Romney signed a gun ban:

Romney signs off on permanent assault weapons ban

The party leaders will always support anyone who self identifies as a Republican even when those candidates reject large parts of the platform. The deal or sell out with the Romney gun ban were:
• Extending the term of a firearm identification card and a license to carry firearms from four years to six years;

• Granting a 90-day grace period for holders of firearm identification cards and licenses to carry who have applied for renewal;

And that bad deal got the ban that probably would have sunset with the federal ban made permanent.

Those were GOAL approved amendments....

 

[Junior314]

That’s where we disagree.

They are worse.

 

[M1911]

They are worse.

And that's the mistake that activists in both parties are making. Politics should be about converting people to your party, about reaching out and expanding your party and thus your power. Instead, activists in both parties are focused on excommunicating heretics (for example, progressive Democrats forced out Joe Manchin because he is centrist). Dividing your party and reducing its membership is not the way to increasing your power, and increasing your power is necessary in order to get what you want.

Look at the MA legislature. The Republican Party at one point had a meaningful minority position. They couldn't stop legislation, but at least they had a voice that could be heard and they could influence legislation at the margins. Under the "leadership" of Jim Lyons since 2016, the MA Republican Party turned to the right, focusing on nominating conservative candidates and on excommunicating moderates. What were the results? They lost basically every election. The MA House of Representatives went from 21% Republican to 16% Republican. The MA Senate went from 15% Republican to 8% Republican.

Here is the reality: some power (even if it isn't much) is better than less power. The MA Republican Party's turn to the right has resulted in less power.

Politics is about achieving what is possible, which is always less than what you want (unless you happen to be a dictator). Achieving some of what you want is better than not achieving anything.

 

[paul73]

Politics should be about converting people to your party

i think it is not a time to excommunicate even but more like finding all heretics and burning them at the stake on the spot now.
the level of animosity between camps is someplace it had never been here, probably since the original civil war between north and south.

 

[Grendizer138]

And that's the mistake that activists in both parties are making. Politics should be about converting people to your party, about reaching out and expanding your party and thus your power. Instead, activists in both parties are focused on excommunicating heretics (for example, progressive Democrats forced out Joe Manchin because he is centrist). Dividing your party and reducing its membership is not the way to increasing your power, and increasing your power is necessary in order to get what you want.

Look at the MA legislature. The Republican Party at one point had a meaningful minority position. They couldn't stop legislation, but at least they had a voice that could be heard and they could influence legislation at the margins. Under the "leadership" of Jim Lyons since 2016, the MA Republican Party turned to the right, focusing on nominating conservative candidates and on excommunicating moderates. What were the results? They lost basically every election. The MA House of Representatives went from 21% Republican to 16% Republican. The MA Senate went from 15% Republican to 8% Republican.

Here is the reality: some power (even if it isn't much) is better than less power. The MA Republican Party's turn to the right has resulted in less power.

Politics is about achieving what is possible, which is always less than what you want (unless you happen to be a dictator). Achieving some of what you want is better than not achieving anything.

I have no interest in listening to your broken record, so I stopped here. Yes, we should have outreach to expand the number of people in “our party”; this should be done by communicating why our ideas are better, not by watering down those ideas in order to include more people

 

[Junior314]

And that's the mistake that activists in both parties are making. Politics should be about converting people to your party, about reaching out and expanding your party and thus your power. Instead, activists in both parties are focused on excommunicating heretics (for example, progressive Democrats forced out Joe Manchin because he is centrist). Dividing your party and reducing its membership is not the way to increasing your power, and increasing your power is necessary in order to get what you want.

Look at the MA legislature. The Republican Party at one point had a meaningful minority position. They couldn't stop legislation, but at least they had a voice that could be heard and they could influence legislation at the margins. Under the "leadership" of Jim Lyons since 2016, the MA Republican Party turned to the right, focusing on nominating conservative candidates and on excommunicating moderates. What were the results? They lost basically every election. The MA House of Representatives went from 21% Republican to 16% Republican. The MA Senate went from 15% Republican to 8% Republican.

Here is the reality: some power (even if it isn't much) is better than less power. The MA Republican Party's turn to the right has resulted in less power.

Politics is about achieving what is possible, which is always less than what you want (unless you happen to be a dictator). Achieving some of what you want is better than not achieving anything.

And exactly what did Baker affect in MA?

 

[PATRON]

Did you ever think that some times the sheep want to be the sheep.
It doesn't have to think for itself, just spends all day grazing. Told by
herder where to go,and when one is taken for slaughter the rest don't care.

 

[Grendizer138]

And exactly what did Baker affect in MA?

A bunch of us have, or will have, moved to NH, partially because of him. So there’s that.

 

[Mark from MA]

And that's the mistake that activists in both parties are making. Politics should be about converting people to your party, about reaching out and expanding your party and thus your power. Instead, activists in both parties are focused on excommunicating heretics (for example, progressive Democrats forced out Joe Manchin because he is centrist). Dividing your party and reducing its membership is not the way to increasing your power, and increasing your power is necessary in order to get what you want.

Look at the MA legislature. The Republican Party at one point had a meaningful minority position. They couldn't stop legislation, but at least they had a voice that could be heard and they could influence legislation at the margins. Under the "leadership" of Jim Lyons since 2016, the MA Republican Party turned to the right, focusing on nominating conservative candidates and on excommunicating moderates. What were the results? They lost basically every election. The MA House of Representatives went from 21% Republican to 16% Republican. The MA Senate went from 15% Republican to 8% Republican.

Here is the reality: some power (even if it isn't much) is better than less power. The MA Republican Party's turn to the right has resulted in less power.

Politics is about achieving what is possible, which is always less than what you want (unless you happen to be a dictator). Achieving some of what you want is better than not achieving anything.

Ok.....I'll extend the olive branch and agree that activists are ruining both parties. I can agree with that. Politics used to be a lot nicer....think Reaganesque. Those days are long gone buddy.
Not cause I want them to be either........

We can all agree that we have democrat activists at the head of that party and controlling the state right now. And we ALWAYS got less than we wanted...that was never a problem.

Your saying this is because Jim Lyons wanted to put in strong conservatives? That Maura and her clan would not be in office??? Do you really believe that?

So.....If we had weak kneed moderates we'd have more Republicans? Doing what? Voting democrat to go along to get along? To what end? Those democrat activists would what? Feel bad for them and not go after gun control????

I say its because more conservative people woke up and left and are leaving and no longer vote here because this state is a lost cause and they realize that it needs to burn down before things get better.

Here is the reality for you...... the strong activist push by democrats is working, in both media and schools are 100% brainwashing the youth voters here, the older voters here who are old Kennedy democrats and go along to get along people, and think Trump sends mean tweets, think it can never happen here, have gotten us to where we are now by accepting what has been pushed up their ass, and saying thank you.....May I have another RINO please. It only gets worse from here on out with the brainwashed youth taking hold.

Meanwhile, the Republicans have no good response to any of it........grow some balls, fight back, and get your message out that their shit doesn't work. Like I said, Im not sure if there is enough people here that aren't retarded enough to care and I fully believe that is the core of the problem. But Republicans keeping full RINO hasn't worked in 50 years. That is for sure.

That is the reality. We will be outvoted until there is no more free shit to give and state pensions are being cut ala greece style, crime is blatant in every community, taxes are unsustainable, and you can't own a single shot shotgun. Along with the communist manifesto that goes along with all that shit.

 

[Mark from MA]

And exactly what did Baker affect in MA?

Democrats like him and he kept them happy. That's important.

And he was always there to blame in case something got really fxcked up or they needed the words Bipartisan to sound really good to the voters and the media.