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DEA Planned to Monitor Gun Show Attendees With License Plate Readers, New Emails Reve

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[h=3]ACLU:
DEA Planned to Monitor Gun Show Attendees With License Plate Readers, New Emails Reveal[angry][/h]

The Drug Enforcement Administration and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives collaborated on plans to monitor gun show attendees using automatic license plate readers, according to a newly disclosed DEA email obtained by the ACLU through the Freedom of Information Act.
The April 2009 email states that “DEA Phoenix Division Office is working closely with ATF on attacking the guns going to [redacted] and the gun shows, to include programs/operation with LPRs at the gun shows.” The government redacted the rest of the email, but when we received this document we concluded that these agencies used license plate readers to collect information about law-abiding citizens attending gun shows. An automatic license plate reader cannot distinguish between people transporting illegal guns and those transporting legal guns, or no guns at all; it only documents the presence of any car driving to the event. Mere attendance at a gun show, it appeared, would have been enough to have one's presence noted in a DEA database.
Responding to inquiries about the document, the DEA said that the monitoring of gun shows was merely a proposal and was never implemented. We were certainly glad to hear them say this, as we had rationally, based on the scrap of information left unredacted in the document, concluded that gun show monitoring was underway. After all, this would not be the first time that the government has used automatic license plate readers to target the constitutionally protected right to assemble. In 2009, the Virginia State Police, in collaboration with the Secret Service, recorded the license plates of vehicles attending President Obama’s inauguration, as well as campaign rallies for Obama and vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin. And unfortunately our security agencies — yesterday and today — have shown a pattern of engaging in systematic surveillance of peaceful assembly.
The DEA’s statement alleviates some concerns, but if the program was cancelled, why didn’t we get any documents reflecting that decision in response to our FOIA request? The agency should now release such documents, and also create and release a written policy that it will not target First Amendment-protected activity in the future.
While in general we have not opposed the use of ALPRs for their stated purpose of checking plates against "hot lists" of known or suspected lawbreakers — provided the data on everyone else is not retained — we have serious concerns about using the technology in a way that is specifically targeted at people exercising their constitutionally protected rights.
In 2012, the ACLU filed public records requests in 38 states and Washington, D.C. seeking information about the use of automatic license plate readers. Our July 2013 report, You Are Being Tracked, summarized our findings. But the ACLU also filed FOIA requests with federal agencies, including the DEA.
Automatic license plate readers must not be used to collect information on lawful activity — whether it be peacefully assembling for lawful purposes, or driving on the nation's highways. Without strong regulations and greater transparency, this new technology will only increase the threat of illegitimate government surveillance.



https://www.aclu.org/blog/technolog...ed-monitor-gun-show-attendees-license-plate-r
 
Every time I see an LPR on a cruiser I want to rip it off and throw it at the officer.
Too much effort. 6747 GY can become 6747 HD with some masking tape and a sharpie. Though I guess that creates a maximum of 26 x 26 possible plates, cross-referenced into a database to match make, model and color and I guess someone will figure it out. Guess someone needs to invent chameleon cars.
 
If you've got nothing to hide, why are you worried? You're not hiding something, are you? Step out of your car please.
 
If it happens in New Hampshire call the state police on them. Automated license plate scanners are illegal in New Hampshire. Federal employees don't get a pass on this.

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/261/261-75-b.htm
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XX/236/236-130.htm

Years ago when the Massachusetts State troopers would go around writing down the Massachusetts plate numbers of vehicles in the NH state liquior parking lots it was the NH State Troopers that made them leave.
 
The ACLU is spot on again. I know they aren't our favorite organization because they haven't been supportive of 2A, but between this -at a gun show, no less- and the "exposé" of the militarization of police.... maybe there's a glimmer of hope they'll come around.
 
Those laws only prohibit the State, counties, and cities from using them. Private use for repo agents is not prohibited from using them.
The Mass troopers were out of their Jurisdiction trying to up hold Mass laws in New Hampshire.

Malodave

If it happens in New Hampshire call the state police on them. Automated license plate scanners are illegal in New Hampshire. Federal employees don't get a pass on this.

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/261/261-75-b.htm
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XX/236/236-130.htm

Years ago when the Massachusetts State troopers would go around writing down the Massachusetts plate numbers of vehicles in the NH state liquior parking lots it was the NH State Troopers that made them leave.
 
I think I stand corrected on that. I should have dug through the whole law I referenced. It doesn't cover the Feds. "Neither the state of New Hampshire nor its political subdivisions shall engage in surveillance on any public ways of the state or its political subdivisions." I think the political will is there to amend it to do so though.

Those laws only prohibit the State, counties, and cities from using them. Private use for repo agents is not prohibited from using them.
The Mass troopers were out of their Jurisdiction trying to up hold Mass laws in New Hampshire.

Malodave
 
1. Rent UHaul truck
2. Fill it will a few dozen people
3. Drive to gun show
4. ???
5. Profit

DEA calls U-Haul and asks "Who is renting this vehicle". All but the renter is safe.


1. Borrow an Anti's car.
2. Fill it with maniacal pro-gun friends
3. Drive to gun show
4. Buy lots of Semi-Automatic firearms.
5. Return car to Anti.
 
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Unrelated question, is the state forcing green license plate holders to convert b/c of the LPR's?
 
Is it they stopped stopped or as far as the public knows kinda stopped?
The ATF has been haunting gun shows for years trolling.
Not just the guys in the booth.
 
If toll collection means they are sending a bill to ones registration address and does not have a line to collect cash or coin, this is a violation of public policy ie HJR192.

public charges, taxes, duties, and dues, except that gold coins, when below the standard weight and limit of tolerance provided by law for the single piece, shall be legal tender only at valuation in proportion to their actual weight.'

Approved, June 5, 1933, 4:40 p.m. 31 U.S.C.A. 462, 463

House Joint Resolution 192, 73d Congress, Sess. I, Ch. 48, June 5, 1933 (Public Law No. 10 )

Note: "payment of debt" is now against Congressional and "public policy" and henceforth, "Every obligation . . . Shall be discharged."

As a result of HJR 192, and from that day forward (June 5, 1933), no one in this nation has been able to lawfully pay a debt or lawfully own anything. The only thing one can do, is tender in transfer of debts, with the debt being perpetual. The suspension of the gold standard, and prohibition against paying debts, removed the substance for our common law to operate on, and created a void as far as the law is concerned. This substance was replaced with a "PUBLIC NATIONAL CREDIT SYSTEM" where debt is "LEGAL TENDER" money.

HJR 192 was implemented immediately. The day after President Roosevelt signed the resolution, the treasury offered the public new government securities, minus the traditional "payable in gold" clause.

HJR 192 states that one cannot demand a certain form of currency that they want to receive if it is dollar for dollar.




Yes but its one of the specific exceptions carved out in RSA 236:130 "(e) Is undertaken for purposes of operation of the toll collection system;"
 
1. Rent UHaul truck
2. Fill it will a few dozen people
3. Drive to gun show
4. ???
5. Profit


1) Rent UHaul truck
2) Collect couches from Craigslist
3) acquire keg
4) hire driver
5) tap keg

Enjoy mobile kegger, brah!

I presume if pulled over "all alcohol is locked in the trunk, man"

Hell let's throw a mobile gun show!
 
Rent Motorhome
People in back drink
Profit

There are "party bus" outfits that do pretty much exactly this. It's a small to medium shuttle bus built on something like an E450 van chassis, has a bunch of built-in couches in the back, sound system, stripper pole, maybe a bar. Driver drives around while the people in the back booze it up and do whatever else.
 
If it happens in New Hampshire call the state police on them. Automated license plate scanners are illegal in New Hampshire. Federal employees don't get a pass on this.

Don't count on it.

Remember the Ruby Ridge case in which the federal courts ruled a state level law enforcement agency cannot indict and prosecute a federal agent who kills when acting under official orders. If the feds get a pass on that sort of violation of state law, it should be easy for them to get a federal court to quash any prosecution for using readers.
 

Demanding the need to track us, then cry like pansies whose tampon string has been pulled too tight when we track them [rofl]

Don't count on it.
Remember the Ruby Ridge case in which the federal courts ruled a state level law enforcement agency cannot indict and prosecute a federal agent who kills when acting under official orders. If the feds get a pass on that sort of violation of state law, it should be easy for them to get a federal court to quash any prosecution for using readers.
Every one of those Feds during the Ruby Ridge incident should've been hunted down like the dogs they were/are by Randy Weaver and what was left of his family. And then get a jury nullification by the jury.
 
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