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Yes. Woodcock in Dartmouth.
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Charging LEOs to use Club Range
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Yes. Woodcock in Dartmouth.
SHOCKNAWE
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Between all the agencies in state/s there is zero reason they can't all pool resources and have a specific training center for combined LE departments, they got the money but are too busy wasting it on bullshitWhat I don't get is with all the State Property out there, why don't they have their own shooting ranges (or two) in each county? Seems like a no-brainer...
Probably don't want lead-contamination issues. Let the clubs worry about that...
Grendizer138
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Never mind the state property. The cities and towns should be responsible to fund and maintain their own ranges. For as long as I can remember police agencies have gone out begging for ranges to use for training and qualifications. When I was in the Mass. Environmental Police, I was the lead Firearms Instructor and armorer. I was always on the hunt for ranges to use. Some were free, others we had to pay.What I don't get is with all the State Property out there, why don't they have their own shooting ranges (or two) in each county? Seems like a no-brainer...
Probably don't want lead-contamination issues. Let the clubs worry about that...
Asaltweapon
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Show that shrub baby.
JRT
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We just debated this at our club, same reasons others have noted, brass everywhere, garbage and members don’t like losing ranges.
I kind of lead the bounce them group, PD takes one of the two action ranges and members get annoyed. No amount of emails and posts on calendars seem to work, people show up en masse that day lol.
In the end, we compromised with the keep them group, we raised their rate from $1,500 to $4,000. They paid the fee and didn’t complain.
The most annoying part was club members arguing we can’t poke the bear, the cops could make our lives more difficult. My response of “f*** them” was not well received.
I kind of lead the bounce them group, PD takes one of the two action ranges and members get annoyed. No amount of emails and posts on calendars seem to work, people show up en masse that day lol.
In the end, we compromised with the keep them group, we raised their rate from $1,500 to $4,000. They paid the fee and didn’t complain.
The most annoying part was club members arguing we can’t poke the bear, the cops could make our lives more difficult. My response of “f*** them” was not well received.
I belonged to Methuen R&G from mid-1980s to mid-1990s. I heard plenty of illegal shooting outside of club property in the nearby woods and a couple of sand pits. A friend even heard a few three round bursts emanating from these areas. Methuen R&G did not have Class 3 and rapid fire of any type was prohibited on the property. Nearby businesses and homes were hit and the police were notified. We came this-close to having our outdoor rifle range shut down. No proof of wrongdoing required. Club was the scapegoat.
Details cost money... Oh, wait a second.
It's not like they are getting paid to practice... Oh, wait a sec..
Just pick up that can that I knocked over citizen!
Pepperidge Farms remembers when a certain LEO board member of HSC was on the 50 jokingly checking rifles on the rack for compliance.. Flexing on the serfs was more like it.
As a retired police officer, I agree. I saw too many guns pointed in unsafe directions during our qualifications. I used to stop by the club and scoop up brass left by officers during qualifications, etc.
When I first joined Braintree R&P they had numerous agencies using the range for training, all for free. Eventually they re-purposed that range for members use and forbade any agency use due to all the problems mentioned above.
The club takes the hit. They definitely would be sued and at best pay lots of legal fees even if no judgment was ruled against them.
They don't want to pay for the OT involved in officers traveling considerable distance for training. They don't do anything for free.
Welcome to Qualified Immunity.
I doubt QI applies in that case, it would be more of an "accidental discharge" or "training" incident.
Kinda sucks because cops DO need a place to practice and qual.. The W Concord jail has a shooting trailer that travels around, why can't they use that for live fire/qual and sims for training?
What about it? They have a waiver in the contract same as any other guests. We have a lawyer that handles the contracts. Our guests sign waivers to use our range like the majority of clubs. I don't see any additional risk to the club for any accidents that may arise from the po po vs. Any other guest that uses our ranges. If what your saying is a viable concern your basically saying a club should never allow guests.....or he'll shy not allow shooting at all.
If regular Joe wants to inspect my rifle at the range, I can tell him to go kick rocks. It's a little harder to do that with a guy who has arrest powers. Did this really need to be spelled out?
DPR
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Delete LE agency and insert "Someone that wants to bring in a group of people that shoot maybe a couple times a year". Would they rent to John Q instructor so he could bring people that only shoot a couple times a year?
SHOCKNAWE
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You are correct but half of the officers either don't give a shit or wouldn't know if something was compliant or not, trust me most of these guys are there to do their group circle jerk talking shit about each other and get through their day with minimal bullshit including training
I do not have experience with exactly that but do have experience pricing equipment/labor for local LE and other local government agencies. Pricing doesn’t matter 99% of the time so do not cut deals. They are not spending their own money. $$$$$
The ones using our range carry billy clubs and smash tail lights. Then when members leave they are pulled over for the tail light violation, a proper gun storage check, a database check to ensure proper registration for all firearms, a check for any outstanding warrant on vehicle occupants, a sobriety check, ...
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Wouldn't be the first time something like that has been done...The ones using our range carry billy clubs and smash tail lights. Then when members leave they are pulled over for the tail light violation, a proper gun storage check, a database check to ensure proper registration for all firearms, a check for any outstanding warrant on vehicle occupants, a sobriety check, ...
