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In that case, it would really suck to pick the wrong dealer.Depends on the dealer.
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In that case, it would really suck to pick the wrong dealer.Depends on the dealer.
Is the RO still in effect?
If it is, your friend is barred fromregaining themeven touching any gun until it's over.
Let's put it this way, I've literally been there and done that. Friend of mine lost his LTC, I got all his stuff, we got it all to me in a matter of a week. That said, if he had certain "really hairy" guns those would have still been significantly more difficult.
The problem with the 209a system is that in a lot of shit towns, that stuff will end up in a Bonded Warehouse in a nanosecond.... and the extortion will happen.... I mean none of them were as bad as dowd but I'm sure the others aren't hanging around to make nothing....
Well in my book extortion via Bonded Warehouse is basically theft so there's that aspect of it....That's not what we were talking about. The reference to theft related to firearms already in the hands of a FFL that could not legally be transferred back to the lawful owner.
i was never interviewed. Actually surprised it took as long as it did for a idiot i knew to kill someone.Sometimes you just don’t know. People are always shocked when someone they know blows a fuse and kills someone. Nobody ever says “yeah I saw that coming”
I am surprised the PD kept the guns for a year most ship them off to storage pretty quick
of course it is. But in this case the PD is giving the victim a chance to move his firearms to an FFL. Where he can sell them if he pleases. So no theft.Well in my book extortion via Bonded Warehouse is basically theft so there's that aspect of it....
Couple of questions for those who have been through this mess (assuming you have time to get them to an FFL):
-Can u just transfer the lower or frame as the fire arm?
- How long ( ball park) does a 209 RO last? Let’s say in an average divorce scenario with both parties trying to end it asap.
- Didn’t Comm2A just win a case against the bonded warehouses not to long ago?
- What’s the average cost per gun and ammo at an FFL, ball park?
thank god I’m not going through any of this shit, but u never know cuz....WOMEN!!
Not to nit pick, but if you have to turn in the firearm couldn’t you just turn in the AR15 lower for example? Or do you have to turn in the upper attached to it? That sux if u have to turn in the upper if it’s a high end barrel with an expensive rail, optic, PEQ, surefire light, etc..Despite the Mass. legal definition of "firearm, rifle, or shotgun", federal law says you can't have a firearm (fed. definition) while you have a restraining order against you. Fed. law makes it illegal to do what you suggest.
Assuming the red part is true, and the lawyers don't interfere, it could in theory be ended right away. But it never is. The other end of the spectrum is "nearly forever". I have another friend who still has an RO against him despite everyone including the judge and police who have had to deal with it, knowing that she's refusing to let it go out of spite.
Nope, the courts decided that bonded warehouses are *not* state actors, so they can do whatever they want. (I think, that's the case I remember)
How long is a piece of string? This question is meaningless without a ton more context.
Don't put this on "all women", that's bullshit. It's lawyers and social workers and a f***ed up system. Woman are frequently pressured/encouraged into claiming domestic abuse purely for legal leverage, even when everyone knows there's zero risk of harm, or even that she's more dangerous to him. (this is exactly the case in my friend's situation: he's the one who locks his car and has a go-bag and never lets his phone out of his direct control and has actually been the victim of violence)
Not to nit pick, but if you have to turn in the firearm couldn’t you just turn in the AR15 lower for example?
In the case of your friend with an ex that won’t let the RO go out of spite...How does she control that if it’s proven beyond a reasonable doubt that theres no threat? Can’t he prove to the court that it should be null and void?
I know of one person who was arrested for failing to abide by the RO because he told the police he wanted to talk to his lawyer before surrendering his guns. Of course that detail never made it into the police report.You don’t get the chance. They show up at your house without warning and take stuff.
You don’t get the chance. They show up at your house without warning and take stuff. It's not like they send a polite letter and wait for you to show up at the police station.
Legally (federally) you're probably correct, in that the serialized portion is the gun, and everything else is unregulated.
Legally, (Mass.) the serialized portion without the upper isn't a "firearm, rifle, or shotgun", so it's not covered by Massachusetts' 209A law. But that doesn't matter, because they show up to take stuff and they don't give you the chance to disassemble everything.
For any of that to work, you have to have an opportunity to go to court, and the judge has to side with you, and "prove" is really hard to do because so much of it is subjective and hearsay.
They have to cooperate. If you don't get a day in court, the truth is irrelevant.
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What a suck situation something like this is. Good luck to your friends going through this, I know I would spare no expense to fight something like this.
The court held that since the bonded warehouse did not actually take the gun (like a tow company does), it is not a similar situation and therefore not subject to any regulation and may set whatever fees and policies it wishes.- Didn’t Comm2A just win a case against the bonded warehouses not to long ago?
The court held that since the bonded warehouse did not actually take the gun (like a tow company does), it is not a similar situation and therefore not subject to any regulation and may set whatever fees and policies it wishes.
It was a total, 100% loss.
Let me know a few days in advance and I'll send a "care package".I have no intention of letting him even visit his guns until the RO is lifted.
On that day, but not until that day, we're going to shoot a LOT.
The good news in MA and many other states, and nationally if the democraps win the senate, is we have red flag laws with even lower standards to forcibly remove your guns from your possession based on the flimsiest of assertions by someone you maybe met once back when you stayed at a holiday inn express. No need to worry about ROs and standards for ROs anymore. We have the solution!IMO an RO without an actual criminal charge is a bullshit RO.
Assault is a crime, threatening harm to another is a crime, stalking, trespassing, all that etc etc. If the police/judge/DA do not see evidence of a crime there shouldn't be evidence for an RO. If the protected person doesn't want to press charges but wants an RO I guess that's nice but it shouldn't just trail on for months to a year. Really ought to be a shit or get off the pot situation.
Not to mention the truly dangerous people aren't going to be deterred by an RO anyway, it only really works on honest and sane folks who are just annoying anyway.
If there is a crime involved well the disposition eventually will determine the status.
Wow, that suxThe court held that since the bonded warehouse did not actually take the gun (like a tow company does), it is not a similar situation and therefore not subject to any regulation and may set whatever fees and policies it wishes.
It was a total, 100% loss.
Anybody have any positive stories like beating a bogus RO filed against you??
The good news in MA and many other states, and nationally if the democraps win the senate, is we have red flag laws with even lower standards to forcibly remove your guns from your possession based on the flimsiest of assertions by someone you maybe met once back when you stayed at a holiday inn express. No need to worry about ROs and standards for ROs anymore. We have the solution!
I am surprised the PD kept the guns for a year most ship them off to storage pretty quick
I have heard such stories, but they're third hand at best. It wouldn't surprise me that it has happened, but it would shock me if they were anything more than rare outliers.
This is great.According to my friend, the Northampton PD is fully aware of the economic rape that happens at bonded warehouses, and does their best to avoid that pitfall.
You guys in MA have all this much worse of course. At least in free states usually an RO is treated differently, as would likely any "red flag" law imposed by the feds.
If the Feds pass some red flag shit, it's going to be just like the DV ROs.. it will become bullshit similar to Lautenberg amendment, nobody will be immune regardless of state laws.
Otherwise think about it for more than 10 seconds, there is no point to a fed ERPO if it's just a "suggestion". They want Fed ERPO so they can create another category of
prohibited persons. (Just like Lautenberg does).
I don't disagree just saying a NH RO doesn't often seem to result in forceful search/disarmament/confiscation. The federal legal implications are no different but the gun owner is (often) able to transfer their property on their own terms. In those situations then at least usually the property isn't stolen. In MA it sounds like confiscation is a defined part of the process, and given they know what you own already they will strive to take every last gun.
As far as red flag laws, what is unclear, and I guess I should go read federal red flag bills, is if the state creates no such law I don't see how they are implemented. I guess such could be filed federally, but federal courts & enforcement are not exactly aligned for that purpose.
There's no way they're going to file the legislation without doing that. Their goal is to reduce the number of people who can have guns.