Sofistocat
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Is there any consequence to straw purchases the "Cabelas" way? Asking for a FFL
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From OP. “I have a customer that really likes 22LR handguns and goes on missions to find certain models.”My money says it was a Ruger 10/22, with an extra killy Tasco scope.
Judging what I've seen of "box store lawyerism" I don't think these people are attorneys at all l, or if they are, they're the worst attorneys on the planet. I honestly thinking most cases these kind of rules are just made up on the fly, by somebody who has a pole inserted entirely too far up their ass.
I bought a gun once from Cabelas in Hudson, MA. And that will stay once. It took over an hour and multiple levels of management before I walked out the door with what should have been an ICBM, but was merely a .22.
Bass Pro in Hooksett should be avoided like the plague for internet transfers. An hour for them to complete. Couldn't find it right away multiple forms other than a 4473. Every counter guy had to look those over.As most people here know I am a FFL both here in MA and also in NH. I have the NH location solely to take delivery of stuff from places that refuse to ship to MA. Until today, the most restrictive conditions I have run into were places that required not only a NH FFL but also that the CC mailing address showed as NOT MA. OK, fine. I have a CC with its address as my NH FFL.
My customers know I offer the service to take delivery in NH and bring stuff to MA (for a fee of course; rent, gas, time and FFLs cost money).
I have a customer that really likes 22LR handguns and goes on missions to find certain models. The gun he is currently looking for he has only been able to find at a Cabela's in ME. He contacts them to buy and they let him know they will NOT send any used guns to MA. No exceptions. He tries to reason with them and cajole them, all to no avail.
So he asks me to contact them and buy into my NH location for him. No probem. I contact Cabela's. They immediately ask "do you also have a FFL in MA?" well, yes, but why do we care? Oh they know my customer and they don't want us bypassing their policy of f*cking over MA residents. He agrees to escalate to his management for an answer. An hour later he calls back. "We will not transfer the firearm to you". End of discussion.
So this is a new level of insane over the top self inflected compliance maliciousness. If they have any clue that it MIGHT end up in MA, no. I am a NH FFL buying with a NH CC shipping to a NH address that is on my CC and no, they will not ship it.
If anyone needed another reason to avoid big box stores...
I get it, but that doesn't mean those firms aren't also run by idiots. Remember that a lot of "legal compliance" is an industry built around lots of mental masturbation and "checklists" etc so on. I see the same shit in IT security all the time. There is no money to be made in "just do this this and this, not a big deal the end". The people providing those seminars or whatever don't make money by keeping things simple.It could be, but from what I saw when HIPAA first went into effect was every facility following the same stupid set of rules. Nursing homes would hand EMS crews sealed envelopes with patient records and tell them it was illegal for the EMTs to open the envelope. Since it was common across different facilities, I suspect that it was because management at some level went to the same seminars put on by the same litigation averse law firms.
I see stuff like that to this day. EVERY private ambulance service requires their personnel to write in the report that they applied all five stretcher straps, put the side rails up, secured the stretcher into the ambulance... The wording is almost identical. Note that there is barely any clinical information, but a lot about straps, side rails, putting blankets on. I'm convinced that owners and managers go to risk management seminars put on by the same law firms.
Oh I'm sure they will, eventually.As long as they don’t F-up drop shipping ammo & magazines to Bass-Pro Hooksett
I get it, but that doesn't mean those firms aren't also run by idiots. Remember that a lot of "legal compliance" is an industry built around lots of mental masturbation and "checklists" etc so on. I see the same shit in IT security all the time. There is no money to be made in "just do this this and this, not a big deal the end". The people providing those seminars or whatever don't make money by keeping things simple.
Sometimes ambulance companies itemize services they didn't do to boost the fee.It could be, but from what I saw when HIPAA first went into effect was every facility following the same stupid set of rules. Nursing homes would hand EMS crews sealed envelopes with patient records and tell them it was illegal for the EMTs to open the envelope. Since it was common across different facilities, I suspect that it was because management at some level went to the same seminars put on by the same litigation averse law firms.
I see stuff like that to this day. EVERY private ambulance service requires their personnel to write in the report that they applied all five stretcher straps, put the side rails up, secured the stretcher into the ambulance... The wording is almost identical. Note that there is barely any clinical information, but a lot about straps, side rails, putting blankets on. I'm convinced that owners and managers go to risk management seminars put on by the same law firms.
Sometimes ambulance companies itemize services they didn't do to boost the fee.
A routine (no siren, just a portable cardiac monitor) transfer from Framingham Union to Tufts was boosted from the basic $5000 to $5900 by bogus charges for things that never happened like starting an IV.
You don't think it's possible that some overzealous MA AG would go after a large corporation that sold a pistol (prohibited in MA?) to a NH FFL, who they knew also had a MA FFL.Lawsuits from whom though? They have zero exposure here.
I dunno my staff is pretty normal. But compliance is f***ed up. Hours of red tape to the point where it negatively affects your ability to operate. I waste hours almost every week dealing with the crap. It's like being under an audit that never ends.I could tell you a couple of stories about the IT guys where I worked. I was the project manager for an IT project. I won't because it has nothing to do with this thread, but they were weird dudes.
Reply with "Do you have undercover loss prevention specialists on the floor?". If they ask why, "As long as you were asking about my security procedures, I figured we could start by discussing yours".Cabelas has gone way down hill since BassPro bought it. Red Head crap at the same price the Cabelas used to sell for. At least they stopped quizzing me on whether I had a concealed firearm or not on the way in. I always told them no - my kids were little and asked me as we walked away, my response was 'Concealed means concealed and it's none of their business.'
There’s not really anything to lose if the gun stays within the FFL bubble. The only FFL responsible for legality of transfer outside the FFL bubble is the end FFL.It's a fear of lawsuits. They have a hell of a lot more to lose than you do.
LOL!!! Actually, handgun-wise, more then ever before. Remember Cabela's in Berlin before Bass Pro bought them but after the infamous Kahr debacle? They were down to fewer handguns for sale than I could count on one hand.Cabela’s still sells guns?
It was all about the discounted gift cards. My good wife used to buy them for me for Christmas and my birthday... right up until I told her to stop or else.A buddy of mine bought many of his firearms from Cabela's. Could never figure it out since the buying process was so onerous (at least at one location I am familiar with.)