patsfan1986
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Much safer than a striker fired pistol in an appendix carry holsterWhat are we talking about here? The gun pointed at his weenie? It’s not going to go off by itself contrary to what the media would have you think.
My problem with it is they’re wasting tax payer money having a day off on the range with WWII machine guns that have 0 relevancy to their job.What are we talking about here? The gun pointed at his weenie? It’s not going to go off by itself contrary to what the media would have you think.
The firing line is behind him. That's just a bench, not a shooting position.Maybe shouldn't be downrange of the firearms table.
Since it appears the firing line is behind him.
Who cares those people are the enemy. Good riddance to his junk.
It's a training day. Do you complain about fly overs at sports events? Those are bombing runs.My problem with it is they’re wasting tax payer money having a day off on the range with WWII machine guns that have 0 relevancy to their job.
* ignoring for a moment that they are almost always wasting tax payer money even in the scope of their job.
Edit: I’m honestly thinking of submitting an IG complaint for waste and abuse.
The Harpers Ferry Armory would bring you to tears.Imagine that, an AFT agent with an MP40. How appropriate.
The thing is though like yeah I was going to say the entire purpose of the agency is largely wasteful..... I had an interesting conversation with a client's tax attorney yesterday, and I told her how the ATF handled business versus the IRS (with regards to violations) and she just about fell over at how stupid it was.My problem with it is they’re wasting tax payer money having a day off on the range with WWII machine guns that have 0 relevancy to their job.
* ignoring for a moment that they are almost always wasting tax payer money even in the scope of their job.
Edit: I’m honestly thinking of submitting an IG complaint for waste and abuse.
Then they should be training with their duty firearms. Zero reason for this. They do not need firearm familiarization shooting other random machine guns. If it were a day in the classroom, showing how to clear the guns and make them safe, sure. But they don’t need to be blasting away with antique machine guns to impress the prosecutors.…
It's a training day. Do you complain about fly overs at sports events? Those are bombing runs.
Narrow minded perception of training, but you're entitled to it.Then they should be training with their duty firearms. Zero reason for this. They do not need firearm familiarization shooting other random machine guns. If it were a day in the classroom, showing how to clear the guns and make them safe, sure. But they don’t need to be blasting away with antique machine guns to impress the prosecutors.
And no, fly-overs are not comparable. Those are legitimate flight hours in their actual aircraft.
Please explain how this is relevant or valuable training for them as criminal investigators.Narrow minded perception of training, but you're entitled to it.
I'll say it again, if just one of those people walk away with a new perception of firearms, it was a good thing.
What are we missing?Narrow minded perception of training, but you're entitled to it.
I'll say it again, if just one of those people walk away with a new perception of firearms, it was a good thing.
Training?Narrow minded perception of training, but you're entitled to it.
I'll say it again, if just one of those people walk away with a new perception of firearms, it was a good thing.
Ironicaly, the MP40 fires from an open bolt. It is actually safer with the bolt closed. Especially if you can't just look at it and immediately know if it is clear, as you mentioned.The firing line is behind him. That's just a bench, not a shooting position.
That said, I preached and my agency preached to put the gun with the bolt back, safety on, ejection port up, so a visual inspection could be made at any time. That looks like an old MP40? so I don't know where the ejection port is on that gun, but I don't see it in the picture.
Until I saw it was in Houston, that looks like every .fed range I've been on. On a busy range, you're going to be 'downrange' of a muzzle. Being safe and making sure those muzzles are empty guns is what's important.
It's a training day. Do you complain about fly overs at sports events? Those are bombing runs.
you have to give this guy credit though to try to move on with the class.. I doubt it’s the first time he’s been shot
Narrow minded perception of training, but you're entitled to it.
I'll say it again, if just one of those people walk away with a new perception of firearms, it was a good thing.
Gun stores habe plenty of handguns pointing at people's junks.Other than wasting our money this is a nothing burger. Who doesn’t get muzzle swept all the time at least it’s not in someone’s hands.
See, there ya go. Never handled one. I did have a chance at a Grease Gun once or twice. Knowing my luck, I'd be the one to kill a historical piece.Ironicaly, the MP40 fires from an open bolt. It is actually safer with the bolt closed. Especially if you can't just look at it and immediately know if it is clear, as you mentioned.
So, if you go to a NES shoot, you only shoot the gun you carry? I doubt it. I wouldn't as long as someone was willing to let me shoot their hardware.Please explain how this is relevant or valuable training for them as criminal investigators.
Are you trying to say that this fun range day might make one of the special agents or prosecutors suddenly gun enthusiasts or pro-2A? Might it make one of them suddenly think that “rules for thee, and not for me” is wrong and that us normal, non-federal-LE, shouldn’t be harassed by the ATF and unjust prosecution?
By the way, I do not have a narrow view of training. I authorize all sorts of loosely related training/schools for both my civilian and military subordinates. But this was just a fun range day at our expense.
I fully support familiarization training with a wide range of firearms for SF and other military SOF/enablers as they very well may need to use varied arms while working with partner forces around the world. Maybe if an ATF agent were going overseas on an austere assignment.