Article: GOP DEBATE: JEB BUSH SUPPORTS CALIFORNIA-STYLE GUN CONFISCATION LAWS

[drgrant]

So the guy that everyone thinks is crazy and is going to hurt someone, passes a background check, buys a gun legally, and then kills two people on TV. Because there is no system to identify and evaluate crazy people. Everyone here is ok with that?

We're not talking about a gang banger buying an illegal gun, this dude when through all the same checks you all go through when you buy a gun. Again, you're all ok with that?

I'm not OK with it because the existing system is already too much of an infringement. Have you heard about this thing called due process? The NICS system violates that- you ARE GUILTY until proven innocent!

Giving the government more power in this regard will only lead to abuse. Worse yet we're already seeing vets with PTSD avoiding treatment because the tinfoilers have everyone thinking that the VA is going to revoke their gun rights, among other things.

Worst part about such "evaluation" is it is all feel good bullshit. Do you not think that a sociopath could game the shit out of that system? Do you really think that someone intent on doing harm with a firearm is going to run their mouth about doing bad things in front of a state appointed shrink? That's pretty laughable.

The worst part of this feel good crap is, one day it's defined as "someone who seeks to hurt themselves or someone else" a few years pass, it mutates, gets amended (because it "wasn't enough gun control, we must do more" ) - once you open that door, there's no closing it... as we've seen with other crap before- and the next thing you know is its "signs of emotional instability" or some vague bullshit like that. Half of the ****ing country could eventually get "flagged" by this system. Think of the long term repercussions of what you're asking for, here. Eventually it mutates into the government being the thought police. "Oh he told me that he once thought about killing his stepfather because he used to abuse their mother, that obviously means he's capable of violence" Think of nearly any statement that could be misconstrued by a shrink and basically used to **** someone over. That's what it eventually will mutate into. You can become federally prohibited based off of simply having "bad thoughts".

At least the way the system is now federally, a COURT OF LAW has to adjudicate someone as mentally defective before their rights are restricted by the law.

Anyone thinking of lowering the bar on this standard is more insane than the handful of irrelevant nutbags that shoot innocent people. You're only harping about this because folks like you have sucked hook line and sinker for manufactured media outrage, which consists of fluffed up people whining about a nutbag or two killing a statistically insignificant number of (usually white) people every year. Even the "I'm a afraid of muzzies and durkas" crowd has a better argument than you do, at least those bastards actually killed a shitload of people at once (compared to the number of spree shootings since around the time I was born in 79, the death toll of which in 36 years wouldn't even fill two of the bigger planes that hit the WTC, and most of the spree shooter stats even include non-random things like workplace shootings where some nutcase shot a handful of people he didn't like) and there are signs of it at least being a growing concern. On the other hand, running around being afraid of "some random guy that might possibly maybe shoot me even though the odds are incredibly, horribly bad" is no way to live life. Putting things in perspective, suddenly then, even caring about this "problem" is retarded. **** if people actually cared about "the children" they'd be mandating swimming lessons not cranking up meaningless background checks, considering that on average every year in the US drowning kills way more kids than any spree shooters, even all together, could think of doing. No, people don't care about the kids that drown, though, because the media talks about them on a sidebar for 60 seconds, tops. Then it's gone. People only give a shit about "senseless death" when the media spends lots of time harping about it and fluffing it up into something other than what it is. Otherwise they could give a shit less about things like little Dontrell or whoever getting killed in shitcago (which probably happens a few times a week there, who knows) because the media figured out that sensationalizing his death doesn't give them high memetic payback value with viewership and advertisers.

-Mike

 

[Lcstyle]

Putting things in perspective, suddenly then, even caring about this "problem" is retarded. **** if people actually cared about "the children" they'd be mandating swimming lessons not cranking up meaningless background checks, considering that on average every year in the US drowning kills way more kids than any spree shooters, even all together, could think of doing. No, people don't care about the kids that drown, though, because the media talks about them on a sidebar for 60 seconds, tops. Then it's gone. People only give a shit about "senseless death" when the media spends lots of time harping about it and fluffing it up into something other than what it is. Otherwise they could give a shit less about things like little Dontrell or whoever getting killed in shitcago (which probably happens a few times a week there, who knows) because the media figured out that sensationalizing his death doesn't give them high memetic payback value with viewership and advertisers.

-Mike

You are touching on some very new (relatively speaking) research being done (probably without even knowing it), but in fact, there is a scientific basis to the idea that is core to your premise, that in effect people worry disproportionately more about statistically insignificant events, while ignoring statistically significant events.

In the past, researchers thought that people generally tend to overweight the probability of a rare event: we think we are more likely to experience it than is the case given objective probabilities. We are more afraid of dying in a terrorist attack than a heart attack, of being in a plane crash than a car crash. In other words, we both overestimate and overweight small probabilities, in keeping with the predictions made by Tversky and Kahneman’s Prospect Theory.